Nathaniel — thoughts on geography
Midnight, into Thursday November 2, 2017
A little earlier than I intended to begin, but here we are. My friends, I got the idea yesterday that today’s discussion might be called something like “geography and the spirit,” or “alien life in 3D and otherwise,” or something similar.
You might mention the stray thought that gave you the inkling.
If I can remember what it was. Perhaps – oh yes. Interesting, it makes me pause to consider whether I wish to continue. Isn’t there another way to approach it?
Always. Very well, let’s launch into the subject abstractly; we’ll get there just as well.
Until now we have been describing All-D life as localized – as indeed it is. As your “guys upstairs” told you, there is a non-physical Canada, corresponding to the physical Canada you know of. In your newer understanding, this meant, the non-3D is a part of the same more comprehensive reality as is the 3D, so of course it describes the same physical space. So, if we’re talking about life on Earth in 3D, we are also, therefore, talking about life on the same Earth in non-3D. How else could it be? Indeed, one reason for adopting the terms 3D and non-3D, rather than physical and spiritual, was to emphasize that it isn’t a matter of one realm being here and another realm being somewhere else, and also isn’t exactly a matter of the non-3D being “nowhere.” Understood?
Yes. I have gotten that fundamental strategy of realigning our way of thinking about things. That’s also the reason for the term All-D, to describe the over-arching reality of which 3D and non-3D are each a part.
As Bob Monroe said, “there” is “here.”
Yes, that made a great and convincing impression on me when I read it in Far Journeys.
But of course, if “there is here” in terms of non-3D being in the same space as 3D, in a very different sense “there” is also necessarily “there and not here.”
But that is a different sense. And I take it you want me to explain what you mean.
Take it away.
In the second sense, you mean that just as the 3D world we experience is defined by geography, so necessarily is the non-3D world, only there are different conditions of movement.
You may have to move slower to say things clearly.
Yes. All right, let me center. [Pause] It’s interesting, I seem to have learned a new technique. Okay, trying again.
Let us for the moment disregard the fact that mind has no physical barriers. If the 3D conditions of perceived separation by distance applied to the mind, we would see that a mind anchored to one place – Cleveland, say – would have to travel to visit another place. It doesn’t; we know that. But what I am trying to clarify is that our minds are anchored by their attachment to a 3D-oriented body.
Whew. This isn’t going to be easy.
No, but you will find, a little at a time gets it done.
I guess. So, my non-3D mind is anchored in Virginia at the moment, because that is where its 3D body lives. Yet that mind also connects to other physical locations where other lives were lived – is that correct? So, Egypt, England, other parts of the U.S., places I don’t even suspect? Anywhere a strand lives there is a connection? I don’t have it quite right, I can feel it.
No, but you advanced the argument a bit. The links to other places through other lifetimes is really that those lives are linked to their former 3D existence because, remember, times past don’t cease to exist.
Okay. So, my mind is tethered to Virginia because my 3D body is here. It is also tethered to England and other places because David Poynter lived there. and so on. Does this imply that in the absence of such connections my mind could not travel elsewhere?
It implies that in the absence of such connections it would have to travel, it would not be equally at home, in such elsewheres.
So when we move in 3D, that is why we seem to fit better some places than others? Why some places are recognized as familiar and comfortable, perhaps as exhilarating, and others are not?
You’ve experienced it yourself, moving from your original home through several states until coming to Virginia, and within Virginia moving from one place to another on the tidewater until you came again to John Cotton’s old home.
That I felt even in 1958, passing by on Route 29 at age 12.
All right. So that’s the mechanism. And now we take the leap.
Yes. And it is a leap. But I was told a long time ago that you can’t leap over a gap by making two half-leaps. So, here goes.
Well –?
People talk about extra-terrestrial visitors, and they think in terms of UFOs carrying aliens to Earth. It doesn’t occur to them maybe that many people who are 100% Terran (Earthian?) nonetheless have strands, even dominant strands, that tie them to far star systems.
Perhaps you had better let us try it. For this once, it may be easier.
All right.
Consider it a thought-experiment, both for the sake of clarity and in order to lower the threshold of acceptability. In other words, we don’t ask you to believe or dis-believe, only consider.
A mind from the Pleiades arrives at Earth and wishes to explore. How does that mind “arrive at Earth”? How does it – how do you – extend your mental world to places where you are not and have never been? You ride your 3D body there. you explore between planets in the same way you explore within planets, by going there.
You live there. Having once lived there, you find yourself in a web of connecting relationships formed during that life. It isn’t only – as Bob Monroe implied – that you get increasingly fascinated, although there is that. You are also progressively “hooked” by issues that arise, relationships that form, possibilities that seem to be uniquely associated with that bit of terrain.
Then, you die. Now who are you? Are you still a being from KT95, as Bob put it? Are you not equally a person of Earth? And does not any one of your lifetimes connect with all those other lifetimes here, there, and elsewhere, many of them literally unimaginable?
That’s how the universe stays knitted together.
Of course. We keep telling you, in widening contexts, that there are no hard and fast divisions in reality. True, until now we haven’t mentioned that interplanetary lives are part of that rule, but you can only say one thing at a time, and build, and hope for the best.
“You do the best you can.”
So now, who are the aliens here on Earth? And for that matter who are the aliens elsewhere? How can you hedge reality with meaningful boundaries when you realize that (a) geography matters in All-D no less than in 3D, yet (b) it is an absolute barrier no more in All-D than in 3D alone. It matters; it is not an absolute.
It hasn’t been an hour yet.
Still, this is a good place to pause. A good beginning.
Thank you for all this, and see you next time. Next theme?
It will emerge.
Well, I guess I do know that. Thanks again.
[Typing this up, I think, this ought to set the cat among the pigeons. If I can think of objections and contradictions even as I’m typing it, what are others going to think? I guess we’ll find out.]
Geography & Spirit:
Absolutely splendid explanations above Frank/Nathaniel. Thank you very much. Really good.
btw: Thinking by myself about all the years in working with “the methaphysical” before to grasp half of it as a matter of fact!
Very true what Edgar Cayce once told: “One step at a time.” If to go too fast is it easy to fall into “traps,” which could have been avoided. I am convinced about the existence about”falling into traps” if not “listen to your inner voice of guidance.” Cannot tell(when coming to myself)how many times in me not “listen to warnings.”
On the other hand “regrets” are of no use but of course as a learning-process in what NOT to do.
What we, each of us, as well as within all D`s, are doing today, always being influenced by all the other choices ever made (by each of us), and in commonness as a entity…..In the end to realize all coming from a Universal Consciousness.
I like the visual of the universe knitted together. Are there places that are ‘stickier’ than others, I wonder – that draw more interest because they offer greater drama? Or because the initial explorer’s connection to other strands are so clear or strong that those others begin to experience the pull? I suppose it is down to the direction of the waves of development at the moment and if what is offered (or felt to be offered) feels like the next step? Really thought provoking post.
The Nathaniel material continues to present itself very clear and straight forward. Step by step.
Thanks again to ALL involved – Frank (the hosting B), the A’s and non-3D intermediaries, and the C’s (us following along).
Frank,
This was a very interesting session. At first cut, it seemed to me that they were saying “You can’t travel non-physically to a place you or some aspect (strand) of you hasn’t been physically. This seemed to fly in the face of my (and others) experiences in Starlines and other programs. However, on thinking about it, I realized that if I traveled non-physically to the Pleiades, then some aspect of me must have lived there. Since they have been telling us for a long time now, we are all connected, these connections, directly or indirectly, reaching out to all living consciousness in this or any other universe, then we should be able to travel non-physically to anywhere. I suppose the closer the connection, the easier it would be to travel there.
Further more, what about all of the remote viewing experiences and data? I would think that this would apply there also. And this did say that we should consider this a thought experiment, not to believe or dis-believe.
Anyway, this is great information, and it certainly give you something to think about and ponder. Keep up the good work, I, for one,really have appreciated it.
Bill Ebeltoft
Thanks, Bill. I myself am waiting to see how just that kind of apparent contradiction is worked out.
This post reminds me of a very precise insight I was privy to about a year ago. The problem is I cannot remember it, except in the vaguest terms, nor can I even remember what prompted the insight. I forgot it almost as soon as it appeared to me (which I find strange). Or rather, I didn’t forget it so much as it seemed to dissolve, lose shape, form, and force– like a fading dream whose vitality and significance slips away despite one’s best efforts to retain the memory and meaning of it.
Anyway, the best I can I recall, it was very clear to me that for any “being” to “know” or have-the-experience-of just about anything, it is necessary and inevitable that the “being” will have to be “there”–embodied in whatever way is required to be there.
Now, that just seems both vague and obvious at once. What is missing is this sense I can’t describe. The best I can do right now is to say something like: there is no possibility of vicarious experience in the universe. Or, if one wants to arrive at Point H one will have to embody and experience Points A,B,C,D, and so on.
There are no means of shortcut to Point H–whether you’re the All-One-Most-High or simplest single-celled being in existence, it doesn’t matter. The embodied, in-place, localized experiences-steps-rules have to be followed for one to arrive at H. One does not get to float serenely to Point H just because one is a “spirit” or whatever.
But–the result (or one significant result) is that in pursuing Point H a vast web of fractal-like experiences and connections develop. Arriving at H is rarely if ever linear and direct. Hence, the “being” that started at Point A wanting to arrive at Point H will have become something much more comprehensive that what originally was implied by Point H alone.
Ah well, I tried.
How about this. For something/anything to be, a “being” has to be “there.” It cannot happen otherwise.
Or– for a “being” to become what it is it must literally be at all “locations” that are necessary for that process of becoming to reach completion.
Let me suggest a thought-experiment. What if the way to have “been there” isn’t necessarily to go there oneself but to connect with one who has?
Well, yes of course.
Writing out the memory of the perception (which already scarcely qualifies as a faint echo) hasn’t really conveyed what I took it to be–and it sounds dogmatic to boot.
But yes, I take your point and don’t disagree in the least. I think what Bill wrote above touches upon the thought-experiment as well. The key is not that oneself “goes there” or has “been there.” The key is there is “one who has.” Who that one (or many) is doesn’t matter, but someone has to have been there for another one (or many) to also arrive “there.”
Going back to my analogy above, we may indeed connect with one (or many) who has already arrived at point H, but if we are to arrive irrevocably at point H “ourselves” we will have to embody the same or a similar process as the one who has already arrived (indeed, the one we connect to may be a “future self” from our present perspective). No step can be missed. No step can be avoided. This, it seems to me, goes a little way to explaining how and why it is possible that we live out all potential choices, decisions, and consequent permutations of a given life.
Makes me think of quantum physics and Einstein’s spooky action at a distance and quantum entanglement of systems–how non-local objects, physically far from each other, can influence each other instantly (faster than the speed of light). These theories, which have been verified experimentally, make the objects within the system an inseparable whole. They also suggest that “time is an emergent phenomenon for internal observers of the universe but absent for external observers of the universe” (Wheeler-DeWitt). It has been suggested, too, that quantum physics might be the bridge between spirituality and science. I’m certainly no expert on any of this, but it is fascinating.
“The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. Get over it, and accept the inarguable conclusion. The universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual.”
– R.C. Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University
Agree Jane & All, I am thinking that`s how it is (clearly told). Thank you for the reminders.
I have begun to read the book (another one Frank recommended) by Dion Forune, The Magical Battle of Britain.
And qoute from Letter 56(all the chapters are dated letters), January 12th 1941(page 65 in my book):
“It is our task, as esotericists, recognising causation in the Unseen and end results only on the plane of matter, to formulate in our minds the plan and concept of the new order of things that is being brought to birth on the circuit of cosmic time. The process goes through three phases.
First, as Leader, I have to obtain the realisations and teachings; then as a group we have to formulate them in meditation; finally, the individual members of the group have got to work them out in their lives.
Thus is the group mind of the race “inoculated” with the new concepts. Inoculation of the group can only take place when members of that group mind receive and act upon the ideas; aliens cannot inoculate it.
It will be noted that Hitler has always undermined a country through its own citizens, not through German-born agents…
And continues:
“In order to alter environment by mind power we commence by realising the infinite and eternal energy of the Great Unmanifest.
Each of us has as our nucleus of organisation a spark of Unmanifested Life, and this Divine Spark is as inexhaustible in its energy as a grain of radium.
By means of realisation and formulation we build the machinery of manifestation in our being provided formulation is according to practicable cosmic law, and not wild fantasy.
But just as an inventor may conceive a wonderful scheme which may not be mechanically practicable, so we may conceive some life ideal which is not according to cosmic law and consequently is unworkable.
But if our scheme is feasible. life will flow into it and realise it.”
And here comes something VERY interesting:
“Circumstances are formed by personality to a far greater degree than we realise. According to our natures we contact or avoid the INFLUENCES of our environment. Change the personality, and it will “tune in” to a different set of environmental influences.”
End Quotes.
P.S.
—This reminds me about SETH`s, as well as Frank`s, as to me it sounds very “familiar.”
I have fasten myself with these words by Dion Fortune on page 59, Letter dated September 15th 1940(following extensive losses of aircraft in the “Battle of Britain”, Hitler delays his invasion plans indefinitely. However, the Blitz continues)….
“We fear to be credulous, or to be deceiving our selves, but faith is necessary for any form of work that depends on mind power. Let us act `as if ` what we want to believe is true, and we shall find that we have very likely brought it into manifestation.”
The very same as the Seth words again…..Either you believe it to be true all the way, or you don`t, nothing in-between.
Faith, Faith, Faith.
Inger Lise–the Dion Fortune book on her war letters is just fascinating. So much of what she was saying was being said by British leaders in the press, and her circle meditation method was powerful. The quotes you cite are so moving and resonant. The necessity of unconditional faith, and the necessity of acting on it, in our own lives. She was quite the visionary. The material you share is always useful to me. Thank you.