TGU and Thomas: Saying 50

Saying 50

50 a Jesus said: If they ask you, “Where are you from?” reply to them “We have come from the place where light is produced from itself. It came and revealed itself in their image.”

50 b If they ask you, “Are you it?” reply to them, “We are his Sons. We are chosen ones of the living Father.”

50 c If they ask you, “What is the sign within you of your Father?” reply to them, “It is movement. It is rest.”

Saying 49 reminded the disciples that they emerged from non-3D and would return to it. This one appears to continue the theme.

You should be able to see clearly by the extremely cryptic nature of this saying that it is meant for discussion after a setup. Once more, we remind you that the written record followed the spoken tradition. If you will continue to think of this sayings gospel as a record of talking points, of an outline of Jesus’ remembered exposition of the nature of life and the world, you will be able to make some sense out of what otherwise will be a collection of apparently disconnected remarks, many of them incomprehensible.

Bear in mind too – perhaps we have never explicitly said this—you don’t need to get it exactly right to receive great benefit from the process of examining this material. The process is more important than the conclusions, in a way, because the process will move you closer to the source, which itself will lead you home, so to speak. And discussion among sincere seekers is especially valuable, regardless whether their conclusions agree. Discussion in the sense of mutual exploration, you understand, not in the sense of debate and verbal combat, which is worse than useless.

Now, let’s look at saying 50 a.

Doesn’t it say that they are to say they are out of the non-3D, and represent the non-3D in their persons?

But that isn’t all it says. Look more closely.

“It came and revealed itself in their image.” Who’s the “their”? If it had said “your” I could understand it easily enough, but “their”?


The only thing that comes to mind is that the source is neither singular nor plural, as the guys – you? – have said from the beginning. But that seems strained. I don’t suppose “their” could be a copyist’s slip for the word “your.”

In that suggestion you see the way in which many an incomprehensible (to the scribe) passage was silently “corrected,” not for political reasons but out of a sincere but mistaken intent.

Well then, what’s it mean?

Look at 50 b.

Yes, again, singular and plural, as the first was second-person and third.

And, 50 c.

Movement and rest, another pair of opposites conjoined. But are we seeing patterns here that don’t really exist?

How could anyone do that? If you can see a pattern, it exists. It may not mean what you conclude that it means, but it exists.

Say that it does. What do the three parts of the saying, taken together or separately, add up to?

What was the unwritten but evidently spoken background to “Are you it?” What “it”?

I can only answer by implication. “It” must be the thing meant by the “his.” “We are his sons,” the “living Father’s,” in response to that question, can only mean that what the hypothetical questioner asks as if it were an impersonal force, perhaps, a non-personal being (if that is not a contradiction in terms), they are to describe as paternal, alive, personal, not abstract and impersonal.

Yes, good. Now look at 50 c.

C builds upon b, as b upon a.

Yes it does. Now go back and explicitly connect a and b.

I see. In a, “it” refers to “the place where light is produced from itself,” or, more likely, refers to the light itself, which revealed itself “in their image.” Leaving aside the question of “their” or “our,” it says, we proceed from the non-3D and we are reflections of the creative and created light. But (in b) the light is not an “it” so much as it is in living personal paternal relation to them; they are its children. And then c says the sign of that is movement and rest. But I don’t yet know what movement and rest signifies.

We like that “I don’t yet know.” Good affirmation, as you would say. Much better than affirming that “I can’t get it” or “It doesn’t make sense.”

Yes, I understand that.

Bearing in mind that you cannot rely upon words meaning, or meaning only, what they do in ordinary speech, what of movement and rest?

I suppose they are paired opposites implying each other. More than that, I don’t get.

What is the entire saying leading up to?

Well, there’s a thought. Let’s see. We came from the light, which lives and is our 3D model, in a way, given that we are in its image, and you can tell this – it is the sign within us of that source – by movement, by rest. The way it is phrased, I take it that it doesn’t mean, quite, movement and rest, nor movement or rest. More like: See it one way it is movement, see it another way, it is rest.

Yes, but the point of this?

Doesn’t every moment of our lives have to be movement or rest? Could it mean merely that any and every moment of our lives reveals our origin in this non-3D light that is the living Father whose image they reproduce?

It could. Do you think it does?

I don’t know.

Nothing wrong with that.

You wish to leave it undefined, is that it?

We wish you and others to think on these things and not consider that you have the final answers to anything, in any manner. The disciples, you know, did not proceed with their lives after Jesus thinking they had all the answers. They had more of the questions than they had had, and that was enough to transform them from ordinary or even extraordinary men and women into something the world had never seen. Should you need more than they did?

We’ll go farther. Certainty is the enemy of growth and of learning. Beware of too much certainty, particularly too much certainty too easily come to. Often enough, it is mostly a weariness that says, “Enough redefinition all the time. I want to have a place to stand.”

Speaking of rest.

Alternation of movement and rest is natural. This by the way does not mean that is what the saying means in putting the two conditions into 50 c.

Enough for the moment?

Yes. Bear in mind as always that these sessions ideally combine information about a topic with information about the process.

Yes, I do see that.


One thought on “TGU and Thomas: Saying 50

  1. Movement and rest–the drive to evolve? This saying, for me, gets closer to describing our process of being. I think it suggests we originate in the energy of the vast impersonal forces? So it says what you’ve been saying all along, just from a slightly different, slightly deeper perspective. I’m still chewing on it, but I like it.

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