Rita on the first stage of transition from the 3D

Friday, February 19, 2016
F: 6:25 a.m. Hard to get moving. Blank as to where we go next, so depending on you, Rita.
R: Division of labor. You show up, I’ll show up, and we’ll get there. We’ve done all right so far.
Now, consider what we’re doing. I want to describe to you what cannot easily be described in sensory terms, so rather than adding characteristic after characteristic, we will at first proceed by a process of subtraction – and in fact that is one description of how life does it, as well, when we die to the 3D and awaken to the non-3D. It could be described as a process of subtraction. First we lose the physical senses, so that we may regain the use of our non-physical senses. This is very rough, but may serve as an orienting idea.
So, there I am on my deathbed. First I lost the power to communicate with the 3D world. This is important, as it begins to re-orient us. We communicate [during life], expecting or anyway hoping for some response. This orients us outward, toward the perceived “other” in the 3D world. But when that communication is shut down, we reorient. An analogy might be, the world of sleep. While we sleep, even if we dream, we are not oriented toward a response from the “outside world.” That is, we do not expect to channel our communication toward a perceived-as-separate world that can be accessed only by means of the physical senses. We let that world fall away – or, you might say, we forget it is there. That is the first stage of dying to the 3D, too. We forget the 3D world is there.
Notice, I am not talking about the stages of going from health to death, I’m not describing the process of physical death. I’m describing the process of awakening to the larger world.

F: I think you’re meaning to make a distinction you haven’t quite made, between the physical dying and the mental re-orientation. But, even saying that, I can feel the difficulty of putting it. Hopefully this is enough. So –?
R: The re-orientation is a big change. If you were clinging to life and terrified of death, I can’t imagine how it would go – although perhaps your non-3D component would flood in to reassure the 3D-oriented mind that all would be well.
F: People often see predeceased relatives waiting for them.
R: In any case, that was not my situation. Even if I had not had the coma to provide a lengthy experience of what we might call sheltered reorientation, I did not come to the change in fear anyway. I was unsettled, because I no longer knew what to expect, but I was curious, and more than ready to turn the page.
F: How well I remember. You looked at me one day and said, kind of helplessly, “I don’t know why I’m still here.”
R: Not-clinging is a great aid toward a smooth transition, of course. Kids don’t go down a sliding board clinging to the sides and scrambling to get back to the ladder, or, if they do, they don’t have the experience as it is designed.
F: Writing that, I got a sense of kids using the slide to get a delightful sense of letting go, of launching themselves into the blue, but in a safely controlled fashion.
R: Of course. That is the attraction – the casting one’s fate to the winds (knowing that it’s safe to do so, and maybe trying not to know it front-and-center, to augment the sense of recklessness that provides the fun).
So, I lost the orientation toward the 3D world, and, as I say, it is something like sleep in that it [the 3D world] appears to drop away. No, that isn’t it. It doesn’t appear to drop away, it disappears. It is forgotten. Memory may remain, and dream and fantasy, all needing to be sorted out, but just as in dreams, your awareness is on your end of the communication, not on input from, or output to, a perceived 3D world.
These are simple concepts, and I hope people won’t complicate them by parsing my words too finely. You lose the ability to connect with the “outside” world, you cease to intend to or expect to, and in reorienting you find that your awareness is now upon a world at first consisting entirely of your own mental constructions.
F: “You find” doesn’t mean you are aware of the change, though.
R: No, very much not. Perhaps I should say “it happens,” or “behind your back.” That is a good point. You are not aware of the scene changing, any more than you are when you dream.
So, with the 3D gone, your natural orientation toward it gone, you are more in the world you have experienced in dreams than in any solid stable mental structure. And this, you see, is why what you do in life matters in this regard. Your mental habits may make the transition easier or harder, and will in any case shape it.
I don’t mean to imply that the purpose of life is to assure a smooth transition! That would be like saying the purpose of eating a meal is to make it easier to wash the dishes afterwards. But it does have that effect, and you might as well know it.
I see no point in trying to describe the various worlds people will find that they have, in effect, created for themselves. Let’s stick to what Rita experienced, because Rita is the closest experience I have.
F: I sort of understand what you just said, but a little clearer?
R: You tend to think of me as Rita [now] in the non-3D, and so I am, but that isn’t all I am, and therefore it isn’t quite what I am. But our shared Rita experience is the bridge between us, so it is convenient to funnel the communication through that part of me.
F: That sends me thinking. I experience Jung, and Thoreau and Hemingway and all, precisely through that part of whatever else they are now, which means it is almost fiction on their end. Here I’ve been worrying if it were fiction on my end.
R: Not fiction on our end, and not pretending, either. We are what we are, and what we were is one part of what we are. But – I am reminding you – only part. That will become more obviously important shortly.
So my world constricted and expanded. It changed focus, say. Perhaps that is more accurate. Death turns the knob of the microscope and the plane that had been clear and obvious becomes hazy or non-existent, and other things swim into view. Again, as when we sleep.
But sleep – and dreams – that is only analogy. A close one, but analogy, not identity. Try to remember that. (Not that your idea of sleep and dream is particularly accurate anyway. But let it go as analogy and don’t cling to the sides of the sliding board.)
The world I opened up to, or that filled my consciousness, of course changed as I went along. It unfolded in stages. That’s just the nature of progression, first a little, then more, then before you know it you are in new territory, then you start remembering it, then you are in your new home. (But your journey doesn’t end there either, of course. The nice thing about life is, it never ends. There’s always more to come.)
The first stage came when I was still defining myself as Rita. And, see, here is where you are going to have to loosen, without discarding, that analogy to dreaming. Unlike dreaming, or perhaps we might say unlike your 3D memories of dreaming – or, come to think of it, like lucid dreaming in this one respect., you don’t lose consciousness of yourself as actor or spectator. You are as aware of yourself as experiencer as you ever were aware of yourself as experiencer in waking 3D life. So, it isn’t fantasy and it isn’t free-flow association either, neither mental nor emotional free-flow. What it is could be described as life coming at you, same as always, only now it is entirely subjective and not disguised as “objective” in the sense of being somehow or somewhat disconnected from you.
F: I think I see that. Not positive it will be seen as clearly expressed.
R: Well, rephrase it, for insurance.
F: I heard you saying that with the senses no longer orienting us to life, we still experience ourselves as a consciousness at the center of whatever we experience. Things keep happening – not as the result of our willing them (as in Lucid Dreaming) but apparently on their own, following some law we don’t necessarily know about. I mean, just following their own nature, whatever that may be.
R: That’s right. That is the first stage after the senses are gone. We still define ourselves as we were, but it looks like the scenery had changed, and then the rules of the game. But that’s for next time.
F: Hmm, as head-stuffed-with-cotton as I felt when we started this, I’m surprised we did this well. Okay, next time, then.
R: Next time, and thanks for your co-operation – you, and anyone reading this. We’re all in this enterprise together.
F: That’s what Captain Kirk used to say.
R: And as you used to say, and still do – very funny.
F: Smiling. See you later.

9 thoughts on “Rita on the first stage of transition from the 3D

  1. This is wonderful! And I think it is pretty clear even though what you are describing isn’t really something we remember/experience in our 3D consciousness so we do not have a precise frame of reference. I got a feeling from reading this, however, and I think the feeling of it is the point, not the words. Thanks as always!!!

  2. Very interesting, as always…as one who has had an active dreaming life, I still tend to tie some of this w/ the dream-state (tho I see the need to not get too fixated on that). There are many dreams that I can recall, from which I awaken, and it takes me at least a minute to recall “where I’m at” in “waking life”. Not like an anaesthesia effect; I’m fully involved in whatever drama my dreaming self takes me (and Seth’s notion of “probable selves” seems to apply).

    I’m aware of “visiting” several recurring “places” in dreams; the most interesting thing in these is that I have full awareness of “myself”, but no, are almost no, recollection of a “waking 3D life”. As I mention, it sometimes takes me a few minutes to “reorient” upon awakening. The other night I had the interesting experience of a lucid dream “conversion” to a (sort of) OBE: I was aware of doing my usual morning stretching exercises (in a house we no longer live in), then thinking, “you know; it seems to me I’m also asleep in some bed, some where…” As I began to count on my second stretch, I thought, “Hey! This means I can go out of body!” I popped into an OBE quickly, but if anything, the OBE (as are most of these I’ve had to date) was more dreamlike than the lucid “stretching” dream. Except for the strong kinesthesia of “being up, out of bed and walking around”, it was very (visually) dreamlike…

    I’m glad of this continuing conversation, and it does strike some familiar “chords” w/ me…

    Craig

    1. Thanks a lot friends, and indeed, it is really remarkable how everything will be intertwined.

      I have been to a funeral visiting my (former) old area and neighbourhood, the area from “my past” life, as a young wife and mother with three small kids.

      I was sitting in the old Church, watching the ceremony and thinking about all to have learned about death since back in my younger days. This particular Church was built in anno 1676 (during the reign of the Danish King Christian the 4th… There are a whole lot of Danish Kings with the name of “Christian”). But the site and area much older as the Church was built upon the old foundation of a pagan site of worship from the time of the Vikings.

      Came to be thinking about what both Bob Monroe and Rita say: “A world consisting of your own Mental Constructions” or “Belief System Territories.”

      Hm, well, the feelings & emotions are still there (and the EMPATHY & COMPASSION likewise) … and since it is the death of A SON (he died of cancer) to our former neighbours, and a playmate of my own boys back then…. My mind became aware of the Seth quote: “You are not your feelings but you have them.”

      All in all the whole journey “back” to my old neighbourhood felt UNREAL, more or less “dream-like”…and sometimes feelings as “walking beside myself.”

      A very peculiar travel.

      B & B, Inger Lise

    1. Hi folks !

      I have been looking through my book shelves this morning, and one book by Peter Novak poppe out.. the one titled: The Lost Secret of Death, our divided souls and the afterlife.

      On the back-cover it is written:…the common vision connecting the work of such thinkers as Emanuel Swedenborg, Rudolf Steiner, Edgar Cayce, Robert Monroe, Carlos Castaneda, Ken Wilber, Daskalos and James Van Praagh.

      It unites rather than divides. It reveals instead of conceals. And it offers freedom in place of repression and deception.

      Unfortunately, it is an answer few realize even exists.

      And it is praised by a whole lot of well-known authors in the field, such as P.M.H.Atwater.

      Actually, I had forgotten I had the book at all !(laughs)

      Okay, now to start to read the book besides Frank’s and the conversations with Rita.
      LOL, Inger Lise

      1. You have good taste, Inger Lise! That’s a Hampton Roads book, and Peter was my own discovery. I called his first book, The Division of Consciousness, perhaps the most important book Hampton Roads published. The Lost Secret of Death, and Original Christianity, are WELL worth your time.

        1. Frank ! Thank you very much indeed (God is growing according to Peter Novak).
          I am totally immersed in the book by Peter Novak at the present time. You are absolutely right, the book is WELL worth reading, and I am not finished with it as yet.

          Hm, and it is adding to the latest conversations between Rita and you as well.

          There is an old saying which says “there is a time for everything” (in one`s lifetime or life span), and Peter Novak is bringing forth everything about the duality of creation. He is giving me something to have felt being “missing,” and a very clear “overview” about it all (all to have studied), which I have not seen before.

          If you are seeing him again one time, please give my best regards, and to tell him of a new fan (he is my new idol) from “over here.”
          Smiles and
          B&B,Inger Lise.

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