Simon Hay submitted the following as a comment on 2015/04/15 at 11:00 pm. With his permission, I share it here, as I think it will be of considerable interest, being a report of first-hand experience.
Hi Frank & Rita,
I’m following your conversations with interest, although I’m not always commenting. The fatigue and after-effects I experience working with spirit during healings feels different than the fatigue I experience communicating with spirit.
In varying degrees, I ‘feel’ and re-experience everything spirit is sharing. If the experience is unfamiliar and new I fatigue quicker and can also experience physical responses in my body: aches, nausea, phantom bruising and injuries, visible marks (not so common now), etc.
When I heal an illness or injury I’ve not encountered before, and work with new healers in spirit, the vibration/frequency of the illness and healers feels metallic, magnetic (uncomfortably), out of rhythm, smells and taste bad (all senses record frequency, and, for me, re-enforces the duality and non-separation of physical and nonphysical). In these healings I fatigue quicker, feel nauseous, my breathing slows and, I believe, my blood pressure drops. The next time I encounter the illness, injury or life event I don’t experience any uncomfortable responses.
Spirit, my guides, describe consciousness, the community of consciousness as ordered chaos. Illness as unordered chaos.
This is a descriptive analogy — because it feels this way and is created from the platform of my life — the strands of consciousness of illness and disharmonious action/life are tense and entangled with similar strands. The chaos is chaotic, not ordered. This causes the fatigue and physical/non-physical responses.
The entanglement creates and grows (although I don’t believe it’s a measurable mass) and I believe it’s why generations of families and nations repeat patterns of behaviour. i.e. conflict.
The community of minds and the community of inter-personal consciousness (my guides uses this descriptive to describe the ‘true’ frequency we’re vibrating at and the actual conversation we’re having with consciousness) create frequencies of creation. Access points (don’t know if I should place a ? here).
It’s these access points where the healing vibration can be most affective.
The tension and resistance, which can be from the conscious, subconscious, or inter-personal consciousness of the client, community, nation and event causes the fatigue and after-effects.
I’ve not shared this anywhere else nor have I written it down. This has come from reading your conversations with Rita.
I spoke with Moses yesterday and he’s asked me to share my healing and spirit experiences. I’ve not been writing enough for some time.
Cheers.
Thanks so much for sharing this.
Thank you for listening to Moses Simon!
This communication brought together a phrase that has been echoing in mind for a while now… which is “organized chaos”.
Majority of the time, I would get a blank stare when verbally spoken. Nice to have that thread woven into coherent material~
I would be interested in reading more of your writings if you have a space that you share them.
Many thanks again to you guys Frank & Rita!
Hi Sheila,
Wonderful to meet you here and on FB. Organised chaos. I like that, and it describes the world and world events. Everything’s in order by frequency. Conflict is organised chaos. I often reflect that the only animal/life force not in harmony with the systems of earth is man.
I really enjoyed visiting your blog site & videos. Here is the link for others to explore:
http://www.simonhay.com
Your last statement about humans not being in harmony with earth systems… I feel the same & have pondered our arrival on this planet.
On the physical side, we are the only
animals whose bodies are not made for these conditions by requiring externally
created shelters, radiation protection, heat & clothes in most circumstances. I can’t think of any other animal where this is required #_+
Hello & Interesting to read.
My own experience as a healer and one who has given classes in healing & such is quite different. I find that I become energized when “doing” a healing. But the reality is that “I”, however one wants to define “I” is not “doing” a healing but rather facilitating a healing and is therefore a participant in the healing experience. Something greater than “I”, of the I of a greater self, is orchestrating the healing. Simply, if the concept that one has is that “I” am doing a healing,and especially if the lower mind is too involved, then one can become depleted. However, my experiences is that when one calls in a healing and becomes a conscious participant, bringing focus on that which is receiving healing (in space, time, event space etc.), then it is a whole different experience. It is a self-healing, an empowerment, and a journey of discovery.
Just wanted to share – we each have our own journey.
Happy trails,
JMH
For those who don’t know him, Joseph Holzer has been practicing and teaching healing techniques for decades, both in the United States and in Europe. Impressive guy!
Hi Joseph,
Thanks for commenting & it’s great to meet you here. It’s 9 AM here & I have healings and readings to do today. I will respond to your comment later this evening.
Look forward to your comments.
Hi Frank,
What State are you in? I’d visit if I had a location to stay and do healing and readings from. Talk soon.
I live in Charlottesville, Virginia, and if you’re ever over this way i’d love to meet you. I just last month moved to a townhouse and for the first time in four years i have a guest bedroom.
I have to agree with both JMH and SH. though I have not been doing healing for an extended period of time, it seems to me that I am a facilitator. The energy that is applied to effect the healing does not come from me. So, as a pipeline if you will, there is no diminishment of my energy and I don’t feel tired after the fact. Yet, during healing circles, when I experience all the physical attributes or stresses of those entities supporting the healing of their family on this side, while I do not feel drained at the end of the evening, I certainly go home and get a good night’s sleep. Interestingly, my wife is completely energized during those healings and has to stay up to come down from the experience. Thank you to both JMH and SH, your experiences are quite interesting to me.
My own experience supports it, too. When I thought I was the source of the healing energies, it depleted me. After I learned that I was a conduit rather than the source — and I am careful to invite people to take all the energy they need *through* me, not *from* me — I have not experienced the situation as a draining. Seems like there’s a larger metaphor in there, somewhere. 🙂
That is so interesting.
A sudden thought, we are our Coniunctio as in union of Self and Higher Self (Opposite and the same). Together, as in union, the physical Self (as a part of the union) is not diminished or depleted as the flow is unrestricted through the Higher Self that is in perfect union. Separate, or as an individual, our Self perception will not “allow” (if only through lack of understanding) an “other” flow, hence we have depletion?
OTH, maybe the idea of my being like a pipeline does not allow me to give enough credit to the idea of Co-creation (healing, etc.) with God?
i dont know, but your first thought seems right to me.
I don’t believe it flows. It feels and records that way, but we become, we are the force. A union is formed between healer, client and the healing vibration/source. Replacement occurs, but in some instances health and change occur in degrees or not at all.
That makes sense. During some healings, I meditate my sense of place into a purple crystal that was given to me by one of my guides. The person being healed then, effectively, steps into the crystal with me and once purple has been wholly visualized/experienced within myself the session is over. It seems to work the same way with a pillar of white light. Those who have experienced that healing then report back to me the very physical nature of the healing as feeling a positive energy that can also be emotionally cleansing. (I do healing in a little Spiritualist church here in San Diego) Your description of the union formed between healer, client, and vibration/source is spot on to what I am experiencing. That makes more sense now. Thank you.
If all these comments served no other purpose, they would still remind me of how much there is to learn, and how many ways there are to do things.
Yes, still so much to learn. For me, part of the process of describing or understanding what I’m experiencing is not to be afraid of being wrong. It’s an evolving process.
Hi Frank & friends. Frank, thank you for sharing my comment here. Everyone, I will respond to your comments later this evening. I have bookings to do today.
Hi Joseph and community,
My partner and I went away on Saturday and had no wifi so I’ve been unable to respond until now. I’ve thought a lot about what I’d write and many spirits have been chatting to me about this.
I too have experienced being energized during and after healings. I’ve felt many things: every human emotion and fleeting fragments of symptoms and a vast range of human behavior that, at times, affected me. I often do 5 – 7 healing/days and I fatigue.
I agree with you, Craig Hendricks and Frank that we are facilitators of healing, a conduit or pipeline of and for energy (what is this energy?). I’m not doing the healing, we are. A greater ‘we’ or ‘I’, and, I believe, ultimately the client, the receiver of the healing becomes the healer. As a healer my intention is to heal, to not force the healing, to surrender, to be kind, to love, to simply be no one thing.
To be no one thing, nothing, is a direction Moses gave me many years ago. We know the concept of nothing. If I have nothing in my pocket, my pocket is empty, and that is still awareness of something — nothing. Moses instructed, be beyond nothing. Not a higher source, because that too is something we aspire to know, to feel, to be. Be no one thing.
But, and this is something spirit reminded, the healing cannot occur without a living person. An unusual metaphor choice, but, without a living person, it’s a bullet without a gun. Humility, I hope, is something I portray, it’s something I practice, but spirit also directs me to be confident, courageous and professional.
This leads to another pivotal, for me, series of conversations with spirit. When I started doing healings, the healers in spirit and angels present during the healings told me, we, the living were the healers, teachers and angels.
Prior to this, many and all the spiritual healers and mediums I’d met had informed about the hierarchy of spirit, the power and magnificence of ascended masters, angels and higher beings. It was inferred spirit didn’t need our help, spirit guided and through us healings occurred.
From 2000, I’ve spoken with many spiritual healers, some who had been doing healings for decades. They all described they weren’t doing the healings, the healing energy flowed through them and a higher power controlled the outcome. Most of those healers had a successful healing story to share, but when pushed, they only had one miraculous story and it had happened years ago when they had first started doing healings. Why? No one could tell me.
All the usual suspects were blamed: free will, soul contract, timing and God’s will. Their answers didn’t satisfy me and conversations with spirit didn’t support their reasons. Every spiritual/universal law told to me was ignored or questioned by my guides and spirit.
I was confused. Spirit’s response, “don’t be. Relax, smile and be yourself.” My guide, Gegu’s, first teaching was always be grateful and welcome surprise — surprise and gratitude. His most common guidance, “be small and do great things.”
In some healings I’m detached from the experience, an observer, in others I actively seek out the cause of illness and injury, and there are a vast number of variances of those themes. I don’t believe I’m in control of my experience.
My guides encourage me to ask the right questions. In this case it’s not what I experience that’s important, it’s how and why. I believe, the how is because I surrender and have faith. To determine why, we have to first identify the reason or reasons for asking: curiosity, fear, desire, exploration, etc. The context of investigation influences the finding.
Healing is an observing force that sees all without reactivity or judgment. That force sees/knows the construction of my experience without investigation. Possibly, my experience is the result of my desire to explain what I’m doing and how I’m doing it.
Here’s another piece of the mystery and answer, or not. ☺ The collective mind/experience creates a thread for followers to tap into. I see this in what I call old school spiritual practices. When a person has a spiritual/spirit experience and then becomes a spiritual teacher, his students have similar experiences. The first experience becomes common, and, by human design or eccentricity, common law.
Now we have a way of communicating to spirit and a matching energy thread. Another individual and group, not connected to the first spiritual experience or the time, will by default connect to the energy thread of the first experience. What if the first experience was misinterpreted? Culture, generational culture, and time all influence interpretation and maintain something to be true. But what if it never was? Spiritual law, or spiritual habit?
Tomorrow, a decade from now, my questions, answers and healing technique and responses will change. They must if I am and we are to evolve.
As Joseph said, we each have our own journey. Surprisingly, every statement I think or write, my guide questions. Here, it’s, “do you, my son?” It’s probably more accurate to say we’re all on a singular journey.
I know, worldwide, there are many wonderful healers doing extraordinary things, but it’s the healings that don’t occur that drive me. I lost my train of thought here. ☺ The after-affects I experience during healings are tied to this.
Love and healing to you all, Simon
Thank you! Wonderful wisdom about healing.
Insightful. Thank you.