April 13, 2010
4:30 PM. Dr. Jung, reading your ideas about the repressed unconscious breaking out and causing chaos — can we relate that to my guys upstairs, and to the thought I just had?
The system will have its application to any other system until the limits of analogy causes it to break down. How could two systems dealing with the same aspects of reality not relate to each other? It would indicate that at least one was seriously in error.
The guys upstairs — we guys upstairs, I suppose I must say — are forces, or conduits of forces, as much as they are localized consciousnesses. Over and above whatever one is or does as an individual is what one is or does as a representative of his ancestors — spiritual and physical both.
If one is a conduit for vast forces, and those forces cannot flow because there is a dam constructed somewhere on the physical side — well, at some point there is likely to be a collapse and then a flood!
Suppose that you are living your life in a merely conscious, routinized way. You do not get into touch with your “unconscious” aspects — your guys upstairs as they manifest in your life. You seek to conform to a code that may be well-meaning but does not fit your psychology. Your life and externally is more or less a rejection, a repudiation, of the internal life that more truly represents you.
Yes, it is true that you can choose, and it is your choice. But it is also true that too long a time spent making bad choices will lead to results.
For an individual considered as an individual, the stakes may not be too high. What is a frustrated life worth, one may ask. But — pile enough of these dead leaves, and you have the making of a tremendous bonfire.
You need, in life, to come to terms with evil, chiefly by seeing that antithetical values nevertheless have their rights. They must be honored, as the sexual forces must be honored or suffered to run disruptively riot.
If forces have become embodied, it is [in order] that they may be expressed. If too much unbalanced non-expression takes place — too much repression in a certain direction — then to that degree the will of the other side, as mobilized, is being frustrated.
You have not given thought to how this side can have a will of its own. You think of us as dim and almost passive. But you ought to be able to see that whatever formed you in bundles did so through will, discernment, and purpose.
One thing I’ve thought about for some time: killing someone means the killer will inherit the one who is killed in a non 3D sense. May be one of the reasons the combinations of ourselves become so complicated. The more we get tangled with the world by consuming it, the more we have to carry as non 3D weight, and reconcile it within itself, to stay functional. “Over and above whatever one is or does as an individual is what one is or does as a representative of his ancestors” Receiving more of my ancestry into consciousness, the trees I’ve felled, the food, the shelter, the family history, including wars – there’s a lot to own up to. A lot of evil to own.
oj, oj, oj, Kristiina, sigh !
…back to the old saying: “What ye sow so shall ye reap…” According to Seth and ACIM in us NOT to be accountable for anything at all(the idea of Karma is all wrong as time is simultaneous)…. only exploring everything through adventures in Consciousness while living within a Hologram(as in Star-Trek). And any THOUGHT becoming “a fictive object.” And each BELIEF ever to have had (or any concept), forming yours(and ours)reality. And therefore IF all Mankind(ALL LIVING human- idea-construction)decided once and for all the non-existence of the physical matter all about us are nothing else but illusion – then The Disapperance of The Universe to be the result.
LOL, and happy ending within this reality…but according to Seths` continues in other realities… all about expansion which never ends.
My understanding so far (and/or, experience) that is of course – cannot speak for others(laughs).
P.S. Don`t forget all is love.
Thank you Inger Lise! Yes, it is all love, but how to arrange the inner multitudes so, that it can flow freely, and I can really feel it? When I own up to evilness parts of my inner multitudes, the perceived evilness changes shape. So I notice evil is a word I seldom use. But Jung says we need to come to terms with evil. And as far as I can understand, he does not mean the perceived evil outside, but what it is in the inner resonance, our field of energy, that calls evil to appear in our lives? Auseinandersezung is a word the Jung circle used. The confrontations in our social lives are one way to work through the stuff, clear out the mess of buried horrors, so that they can shine as the treasure they are. A bit like the native americans speak about medicine – your medicine is in the hard parts of your destiny. If you can unwrap it wisely.
Yes, agree Kristiina – but after reading the books by Jurgen Ziewe(and about his experiences) – THEN, came to realize the importance to do meditation. To practize meditation and really doing it each day – and to try a practize which fits with yourself, because there is manyfolds. I did a lot of the meditation in the former years – and back then to have find a lot of depressed ANGER within myself(obviously many wartimes), and still arising from time to time but never as outbursts. Learning now about the intense emotions & feelings making effects upon all about us- f.inst. the WEATHER-Condition among a lot of other things.
Peculiar enough but “The Best” meditations to have done ever – is the ones suggested by Edgar Cayce and Seths…!?! The medtation practize – when it arising experiences back then – became far above ANYTHING else to describe with words or mental /- intellectual reasoning.
C. .Jung is good of course – but his “journey” is not my “journey,” other than explaining his ways.
SOME books, like Franks` and Jurgen Ziewes` (and some others hi, hi), just giving you “kicks”, as reckoning something long forgotten….As ACIM to have told once by Helen S. and K. Wapnick: “There must be another and a Better Way to find.”
Hugs to you my good neighbour within the Nordic Brothers & Sisters` Countries.
LOL(smiles)