Thursday, April 18, 2019
- 5 a.m. Guys, what’s the point of dreams we can’t remember, or, if we do remember, can’t make sense of? I understand the use of dreams we can comprehend, but what is the use of the ones that never come into our consciousness, or come in indecipherable bits? It isn’t as simple as, “You need to learn to pay attention,” I think.
You might look at it this way: You – 3D you – aren’t the intended recipient, or, we might say, the cooperating partner. Dreams don’t have to be aimed at the conscious 3D self to be doing important work.
Well, we’re willing to be enlightened.
Just as your consciousness has to span various time/space moments (though it appears to you that you move from one to the other, to us you span them all)
That was interesting enough that it knocked out the rest of your thought.
What, the span? Remember, outside of 3D, we don’t see time as sequential in the way you do. So why expect us to see it – or conceive of it – in the way that seems natural to you?
I don’t know that I had any conscious expectations about it at all, one way or another.
If you were to pursue the implications, you would find that they illustrated – or illuminated, rather – many things. But let’s continue about dreams. We were pointing out that you are not the center of your self.
Our 3D self, formed around the ego, is not the center of what Jung called the Self, capitalized, the larger being of which our 3D self is only a part.
Don’t ascribe to Carl Jung what he did not avow in 3D, but yes. You – your 3D self – is not the center of the larger you. Therefore, it doesn’t get to drive, so to speak. Its responsibility centers on the 3D world, and functionally, it is blind or nearly blind to the larger world that 3D is a part of. So how could it direct?
I can understand that, without difficulty. So you are implying that in a way, dreams may be none of our business.
Well, no. No, it was an advance for Freud and Jung and their associates to break up the rationalist mind-set of Western culture, and dreams demonstrated by their connection with neurosis, and with transformative potential, that they were a real force; that, in other words, men were more than merely rational, merely sensory. And dreams may still be used that way; you have seen it yourself. But your understanding the dream is less important than your experiencing it.
I don’t understand that. I mean, I sort of do, but I wouldn’t be able to explain it or provide an example of how it works. I recognize, of course, that our understanding is far less important than our grokking something. But you’d better continue.
A prime responsibility of a psychologist may be to help the client move deeper than understanding, and get into feeling, and knowing. Transformation does not come through understanding. Understanding may be the doorway, but it can never be the decision to walk through the doorway. But when you feel something, you tend to respond to it.
This sounds screwy to me, in a way. Or, not screwy, but twisted up, out of order. What of people who go to psychiatrists because their feelings are out of control, including those who are unable to feel)?
You need to go very slowly here, to not get carried along by associations in a way that prevents you from settling in to a new place.
Breath, I know. Recalibrate. Okay, shoot.
You have read that feelings are the language of the soul. (This uses the word soul in the sense that we would use the word spirit, as the soul is the 3D creation; but it is an easy translation to make, as long as you are aware of it.) You have never been very clear on the difference between emotions and feelings. Let us define an emotion as a near-time short-lived feeling, and a feeling as a more persistent, more long-term mental space, that is not intellectual, not logical, but may affect intellect and may skew logic. These are not textbook definitions, but they will serve.
Easily remembered, I’d guess.
So what do dreams stir, emotions or feelings?
I don’t know that I would have said they stir either.
Yet you may wake up from a dream in a certain emotional state. What produced the state but experiencing the dream? And does this ever happen – awakening in a given emotional state – without your remembering at least something of a dream?
“Ever” is a long time, but no, I suppose I have moved from the dream into a waking state consciously enough that I feel that emotion.
That is backwards, though. You experience the feeling strongly enough that you become conscious.
Hmm. But – feeling? Not emotion?
The confusing thing in this explanation will clarify when you realize that the difference between feelings and emotions, in so far as they are measured in duration, does not apply outside of 3D time. What is a relatively clear-cut distinction to you in 3D is at most a relative distinction “here” in All-D, and so is of little importance.
More important is what is going on. It’s similar to the background thoughts we have, isn’t it?
Very similar. Think of it as processing going on in the background, sometimes as you sleep, sometimes as you put your conscious attention on other things. Just because you aren’t conscious of it, doesn’t mean the rest of you sleeps.
So dreams are you putting in your oar, saying “pay attention to this”?
They may be, and those dreams will tend to wake you up. But they may be merely your larger self processing, taking stock, reassessing, weighing what is being underplayed or exaggerated. The intent is always to assist, naturally (given that identity of being implies identity of interest), but that is no guarantee that the intent will be recognized.
So what is our best practical approach to unremembered or partly remembered dreams?
Pay attention to the feelings you wake up in. Feelings are more reliable than concepts or logic. They should be counter-checked, lest you wind up in Psychic’s Disease, but they are more reliable nonetheless.
And that’s enough for now.
Okay, thanks as always.