Rita — questions on the 3D and non-3D

Thursday February 19, 2015

F: 3:30 a.m. Okay, Miss Rita, since it seems I’m not going to get any more sleep anyway, we might as well start. I haven’t counted the questions Charles proposes as possibilities, but there must be a dozen of them. Where would you like to begin?

R: Let’s start with my comment about autism, or the way my comment was held to apply to autism and other situations.

[Charles: Rita said, “Much that seems abnormal and even catastrophic around you – the explosion of autism, for instance – bears within it the seeds of things unsuspected but not therefore undesirable.” I think anyone who is or knows someone who is autistic would appreciate knowing more about the “seeds of things unsuspected but not therefore undesirable.” I’m thinking particularly of parents I know who have an autistic child having difficulty coping in 3D. What can they learn from non 3D that can help both the child and the family?]

The response is based in a misunderstanding, perhaps. What I did not mean in particular was that autism or any other physical condition that distorted a given person’s relations with the 3D world was in and of itself necessarily a precursor of a change in the conditions of life. What I did mean was that lives lived under such conditions produced souls with a very different experience of life, hence with a very different composition.

F: I think I’m getting where you’re going, but it’s going to have to be spelled out a bit.

R: Feel free.

F: I get that you’re meaning that, again, the important thing is not the 3D experience but the non-3D soul that emerges from that experience, and that such souls are different somehow from souls that have not gone through something similar.

R: Yes, only don’t exaggerate the difference. Just as autism is in some ways similar to people’s experience of life under heavy cocaine usage, so in a different way it may be similar to lives lived under permanent or persistent physical afflictions that by their persistence add a certain flavor to the life, hence to the soul.

So, to answer the question as posed, I’d say don’t expect that the condition will necessarily produce anything recognizable from within 3D existence. It may, it may not. But the fact that 3D is now throwing off so many autistic individuals means that the non-3D is receiving more souls shaped in such circumstances – just as it is receiving many souls shaped by lifetimes overshadowed by drug usage – and therefore it will have an effect. But given that the effect of anyone’s addition to the non-3D mind is not obvious to you in 3D, you mustn’t expect to be aware of the difference, nor is it necessarily important that you be.

F: “The seeds of things unsuspected” had more to do with the non-3D pool of possibilities presented by diverse minds than with anything seen in the body.

R: Yes, but not entirely yes. Over time this will affect 3D reality as well. However, you may or may not make the connection. But that’s enough on this for the moment.

Charles’ second question?

[Rita said, “At any rate, it is those who experience 3D reality who serve as interpreters of 3D to those who have not experienced it.” Would Rita explain more about those beings who have not experienced 3D. How is 3D life beneficial to them? Do they use this information to serve as “helpers” to those who are presently in 3D? Any other information about beings who have not had 3D experience would be appreciated.]

All right, but I’m going to disappoint him, I think, because mostly I’m not going to answer the question, for one good reason. Suppose I tried to paint a picture of life in the non-3D as it applied – or rather, did not apply – to those still in 3D? What could that be but a theoretical exercise, a speculative venture of no practical use in rearranging your notions of who you are and why you are, with all the practical results that flow from that?

F: You don’t intend to explain the TV show the man on the top of the mountain is watching. The fish at the bottom of the sea have more pressing concerns.

R: Not “more pressing,” even, so much as more practical. What is beneficial to the non-3D world, as I have explained before, is that the conditions of 3D life allow the creation of non-3D minds that could not have come into existence otherwise.

The creation of compound beings – souls made up of many strands that learned to live together and hence grew into a single habit-system – is unique to the 3D world. And “world,” I remind you, doesn’t mean Earth as one planet, but means all of 3D creation. And “3D creation,” I remind you in turn, is one part of an undivided reality. Don’t let yourselves step back into thinking of “our side” and “your side.”

As to the part of the question about non-3D beings serving as helpers, this is a misunderstanding. What 3D beings experience as “helpers” or angels or higher selves or larger beings can only be – well, how to say it?

F: How about this? We can only connect to the parts of ourselves that are outside 3D, not to beings that are entirely non-3D, hence anything we get from non-3D beings has to be via our own extension.

R: Not quite. Not wrong, but many nuances are wrong. It would be better to say only compound beings can communicate between 3D and non-3D, but in practice since compound beings can also communicate with non-3D beings, it appears more seamless than it is. Your own non-3D portion of yourself – your larger being of which you are a part –

F: Sorry, lost it in that long parenthetical expression.

R: The point is this. You naturally relate this whole discussion to the 3D world around you. But really it centers on the non-3D world that is so vastly greater. We compound beings and products of compound beings are a specialized breed – the non-3D’s hunting dogs, I suppose you might say – but most of reality is not hunting dogs.

F: So, life elsewhere is largely incommunicable to us, and anyway isn’t very much our business?

R: Anything that interests you is your business, but that doesn’t automatically mean you can access it. Nor does it mean an intellectual curiosity is always the most urgent item of business. Let’s move on to the next question, as it is connected to this one.

[Rita said, “The non-3D has a stake in the creation of 3D minds, and therefore a stake in 3D matters in a way quite different than you in bodies commonly think.” Would Rita explain how their “stake in 3D matters” is different than we think?]

I explained that their stake is in the creation of new viewpoints in itself. It has nothing to do with outcomes in 3D except in so far as they make further development easier or harder – or rather, in so far as they point things in one certain direction rather than another. But Earth is not the only game in town, so it is a mistake to think that everything hinges on what happens in the next presidential election, or in the course of changes in present civilization, or in the rise and fall of races or cultures.

F: Understood – though I think that statement would have startled you, while you were in the body.

R: Oh yes! But you know, they do say travel is broadening. Number four next.

[Rita said, “No, the list of things we don’t care about from this side is extensive!” What would the list of things non 3D cares about include?]

[I misread this as “the list of things non 3D doesn’t care about,” and Rita answered it that way, apparently responding to what was in my mind rather than what was written and misread. Interesting.]

Pretty much everything you care about other than the composition of your character and the nurturance of your soul. Politics, ideology, economics, technology, religion, science, — you name it. I suppose I should add, “except in so far as they cause or reflect changes in what and who you are.” In other words, we don’t care about the results of the latest elections, but if you participated in some way, directly or vicariously, we would care about how that experience changed you.

You have to understand, everything is upside down from the way you think of it. The individual is everything, and the abstract mass – be it class or nation or race or anything – is just a shadow. Do you think the Democratic Party means anything in non-3D? if it did, then what of the Czarist Party in Russia, or the populares in ancient Rome, and so forth? But any given soul is of unchallenged worth, because it is real, it is a creation, and it is unique.

F: One more?

R: One more, and your hour will be up, and probably a little more than up.

[In the 17th session Rita said, “The whole point of creating a soul in a given time and place, comprising certain traits and predispositions, is to create an enduring resource; so, when successful, there would be no point in throwing the elements back in the soup!” What would constitute a “success” that would “create an enduring resource”?]

This is simpler than it seems, in concept, but may not be so easy to grasp in detail. The short answer is, to the extent that a lifetime created a unique new window on 3D, it is valuable. But it if did not, not.

F: That sounds awfully cold.

R: I know, it sounds like we are saying “that life wasn’t really worth anybody’s time, forget about it.”

F: That is exactly what it sounds like.

R: And that is both an accurate and an inaccurate summary of our position. The closest analogy I can think of offhand is fishing. If any particular cast doesn’t catch a fish, we pull the line back and case again. Would there be any point in leaving the line in the water so we wouldn’t “waste” the cast? Do we hurt the line by pulling it back? The apparent callousness stems from your viewing it from the 3D, which tends to make illusions seem real and reality seem illusory.

And that’s enough for the day,

F: Pretty nearly an hour exactly. Okay, our thanks as always, and we’ll see you next time.

16 thoughts on “Rita — questions on the 3D and non-3D

  1. F: That sounds awfully cold.

    R: I know, it sounds like we are saying “that life wasn’t really worth anybody’s time, forget about it…The apparent callousness stems from your viewing it from the 3D, which tends to make illusions seem real and reality seem illusory.”

    Ouch. “Tends” — um, ya. Interesting change in perspective when on the non-3D side of the fish hook and suffering/pain is theoretical rather than tangible and bloody.

    And so I get back to one of my earlier questions: Why is it that after 100s of 1000s of years of human evolution, we’re still perpetuating the same plotlines of pain & suffering? What new, fresh insights can it possibly be bringing back to the 3-D personalities or the non-3D “side” or soul as a Larger Self? There’s nothing unique about the 7 Deadly Sins or their ramifications in terms of treating the self or others badly, I’d think. What is it about 3D life that expanding/polishing/put it however you want the soul through adversity is still a preferred teaching method?

      1. From Friday, Dec. 12: “…What would have been clearer would be to say that some people’s lives create a new pattern that can be used as one strand in a new bundle, and many people’s are not sufficiently different to serve in that way. That doesn’t mean the ones that are not different enough to serve as patterns were failures, or were discarded. It means from the point of view considering flow, they can be disregarded.”

  2. About Soul Shaping: “If 3D is to shape a soul, and the shaping is to be done by the presentation of opportunities to see one’s own characteristics as if externally seen, what would be the point of constricting the choices?” and similar statements from the previous day on “Context”.

    While struggling to understand how this is actually working in my day-day life, yesterday came the following awareness, no doubt a temporary understanding, and of course provisional based on further insight.

    For years, most every day when exiting the freeway near my home I pass a homeless person (rarely the same person) on this one corner, asking for help, asking for money. It’s very hard to ignore, although I have tried.

    What do I think I am looking at when I am looking at a panhandler/beggar on the corner?  Am I looking at a person who has made bad choices, and deserves to be punished?  Am I looking at a person who is too lazy to work?  Am I looking at a druggie or alcoholic who took a wrong turn, and is now asking me to pay for it?

    Does giving money to the attention getter solve the problem? Maybe not. Should I have compassion for their role, and thank them for reminding me of our need to accept this as something that the human race can work on, can heal?  Should I give more money to the United Way to help the homeless?  Or is it a Government issue, and should I encourage our Government to stop ignoring their plight? Or I could spend time volunteering to serve food to the needy.

    I’ve had all the above thoughts, all over the map. Then yesterday thinking about Rita’s comments it dawned on me. That part of consciousness in human form on the corner is only homeless in the 3D sense, and is there for me to form my mind on that issue, and even more so, to work at seeing this issue and others like it in a new context. If I am “seeing my own characteristics as if externally seen”, then homelessness is a part of me as is it’s non-3D aspect. Of course that would be if we are all one mind. It’s my opportunity to “make up my (part of that one) mind”, using a different mindset, puns intended. I feel at home on Earth, but I know 3D Earth is not my home, and the homelessness that is a part of me is a gut-wrenching reaction to ever-leaving my old belief systems behind and heading into unchartered waters. It’s also a longing and motivator to keep me moving my consciousness toward my real home. It’s a part of my transition.

    Not coincidently after (receiving) this insight there was no homeless person (necessary) on the corner yesterday. The next time I see homelessness, I will see it differently.

      1. Maybe someday I’ll “look back and laugh” on my opinion that life has a design flaw or 2. And that there ought to be a better way to learn than through adversity.

        1. a paragraph from Matt Licata, which is complete agreement with a discourse from Adi Da Samraj, more than 30 years ago: It can be astonishing to realize that everyone and everything here is being uniquely arranged for your illumination and unfolding. While you may never understand this blueprint with your mind, look carefully and you will see it with eyes found inside your heart.

        2. Martha, that`s EXACTLY what ACIM says….”to find a better way” than through adversity and/-or suffering.

          What a coincidence! Even of you never have heard about A Course in Miracles/-or ever have been interested in to study ACIM at all.

          I do not believe in “coincidence(s)”, as it is always a meaning behind it.
          A kind of “something” which resonates one way or the other(intuition I`ll guess).
          Inger Lise.
          P.S. The one book titled: Absence from Felicity; The story of Helen Schucman and her Scribing of a Course In Miracles are highly interesting. Helen as the clinical doctor, a Professor in psychology (of profession), refused in to believe of what “happened” at first.

  3. Hmmmm Rita said. “If any particular cast doesn’t catch a fish, we pull the line back and case again. Would there be any point in leaving the line in the water so we wouldn’t “waste” the cast? Do we hurt the line by pulling it back? ”
    This would seem to imply that in a “non-successful ” (? Non unique viewpoint?) 3D lifetime, on this planet or elsewhere in 3-D, when the 3-D life is over the strands would return to their origin. No continuation into non-3-D non-linear time as a compound being/new soul/unique viewpoint.
    So……How’s the fishing? Are very many 3-D individuals successful? Is this where human ideas of an afterlife or not come from?

    1. I don’t think it’s quite this way: “This would seem to imply that in a “non-successful ” (? Non unique viewpoint?) 3D lifetime, on this planet or elsewhere in 3-D, when the 3-D life is over the strands would return to their origin. No continuation into non-3-D non-linear time as a compound being/new soul/unique viewpoint.” I think what doesn’t continue is the attempted melding of those strands into a new unit. But the strands remain, and presumably can be used as part of another cast. (However, this is my understanding, not Rita’s; maybe she won’t agree.)

      1. That is my understanding too. Sorry I wasn’t clear on that. I was just wondering how often we compound beings are successful at forging a new soul here in the fires of 3-D.

      2. Hello again.
        I have thought a lot about these things.
        Well, now have to consider something told in the ACIM-lessons.
        According to ACIM(the entity/Holy Spirit of Jesus via Helen Schucman), which says of us NEVER HAVE LEFT the original creator, it is all but a dream of the Mind. And the purpose/destiny of man will be of TO RECALL where of us “to have arisen” and/- being “born” into consciousness. The First Cause wanted to have Companions. His/Hers/It—The nameless extension of The Created.” Only Spirit.
        And the purpose of the created will be of us returning “back” whence we came from…. as of us always has been….
        The separation idea seems to be science fiction according to ACIM.

        ACIM also pointing out of consciousness became created (and “The sons and daughters of God” caught the first thought of separation),and as of giving free will “IT” would not interfere.
        And The Big Bang occurs as the two energy principles parted “from” The First cause (as his/hers-cosmic vibration), the oneness-principle of God/-The First Cause, gave an explosion throughout the Black Hole.

        Well,well, the finite mind have a lot to ponder as always.
        Happy days, Inger Lise.

        1. I’m going to pass this on to Charles, as i think it has the potential to bring forth some very interesting material from Rita. i can already see my won response, which is, “mostly it’s a matter of point of view,” but we’ll see what she says.

  4. Hello Frank.
    Seth says something similar to Rita`s here, and wonders if it is told within the trilogy about “Oversoul Seven?” It is like diving into “The Unknown.”

    Well, I have had OBE`s, and came to think of one experience in particular….
    “Waking up” within a huge (enormous) dark void, very warm and comfortable indeed; and experienced the void WAS ME.

    Then all of a sudden felt a kind of emotion/-sensing a movement, and when wondering about the NEW sense of emotion (it felt all new to me) Then A THOUGHT arising inside of the dark void (pitch black), and THE THOUGHT “gave a name”, which I did not understood at all. … guess what thought ? Yep:”TEQUILA” (Is it not a hot Mexican drink?) Then slowly felt (actually felt nothing but comfort before the first thought(!), of to be more and more conscious, as of to BECOME an individuality somehow. Oddly enough “the move of emotion” was funny. I could FEEL an emotion of fun.

    I have it written down in the dream journal of mine … by conscious effort with suggestions to have learned throughout the years (listening to Tapes and CD`s mostly) did “the travel.”

    The happening was very comfortable, and very satisfying in being there, obviously did not knew about anything else….before the thought of “Tequila” arising. I have never been to Mexico in this life-time around.

    The life CAN be funny after all.
    lol,Inger Lise.

  5. As always, a lot to ponder, “turn inward” on, for me…this “trusting of my own experience” seems rather new to this incarnation; at this point I’m realizing how much of “my” time was spent wondering “who has the right answer?” I certainly hope my experience here in 3D is helpful to my non-3D, more inclusive Self; at the same time, I know that many of the Eastern traditions (or at least our “Westernized” versions of said traditions) have aspects/ideas which “chafe” at me, such as the “extinction/dissolvement of the ‘delusion of self'”; emotionally, I go to “oblivion/non-existence” when hearing such ideas. Ahh, well…”Not my cup of Schnapps”, as Arte Johnson used to say, as the German soldier on “Laugh-In”…

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