The Other World

[continued from July 5 post]

R: Once Frank crosses the line, is there some reason to believe that he won’t join those of you who are speaking to him?

F: Well, he couldn’t help it. Oh, you mean, in our function?

R: In the functions that you’re engaged in right now.

F: [pause] Well, he’s an explorer and a teacher by inclination. It’s part of him. But he has lots of other parts that are other things. If you mean will this – Okay, we got it. [laughs] We’ll give you a choice of answers: yes and no. [they laugh]

Yes, in that that particular atom of that being will be on call for a specific person who needs to talk to him. When he’s the closest resonance to someone who’s talking, you see, and he might be on call. But the difference between him and Frank is so – Continue reading TGU session 08-08-01 (3)

[continued from posting, July 4]

R: In Frank’s book Muddy Tracks, it seems that he was able to clearly distinguish between when he was speaking and you were speaking. When he speaks now, or when he’s in laboratory sessions, for me it’s difficult to know who’s speaking. Is this increasingly a stance for Frank?

F: No, what’s happening is, he was required to make a Copernican world-view shift first, and to do that found it either necessary or convenient – we couldn’t really be sure; it doesn’t make any difference – he found it expedient, anyway, to almost over-emphasize the difference between [him and] us, because that was the only way he could conceptualize it. But once he began realizing that we’re often speaking through him –

He initially saw it when we spoke through him to say something that was important to someone else who had to hear it from a human voice because they weren’t able to hear it inside. Once he realized that, he began seeing it more, and then he began seeing other aspects of himself — other lifetimes, as you call it — going in and going out, going in and going out, and then he began to deduce, correctly, that he does the same thing there, unconsciously usually. Then, the more he looked into it, the more it all folded in on itself and he realized, it isn’t “me” versus “them,” it’s really I/them, or it’s us, or it’s me. You know, all the distinctions blurred. Continue reading TGU session 08-08-01 (2)

[After the August 3 PREP session, Rita Warren suggested that I could do the same thing outside of the black box, merely using a free-flow Focus 27 tape. She offered to monitor a series of sessions at her house, and I gladly accepted, knowing Rita’s unique background in such work. Not only is she a Ph.D. psychologist who had a distinguished academic career, she and her husband Martin had run Bob’s lab from the time it opened in early l984 for about four years. They had worked with hundreds of subjects, keeping in mind Bob Monroe’s goal of “asking questions that would result in information that would be of value to all mankind.” Thus, they asked about such topics as consciousness, health and healing, environment and earth changes, the nature of the universe, and various spiritual and philosophical questions. But there were lots of questions she could never get satisfactory answers to: What’s it like over there? “Oh, everything’s fine. It’s hard to explain. You’ll understand when you get there,” etc. She wanted a little more substance than that, and as it turned out, TGU were the guys to give it to her.]

August 8, 2001

R: I’d like to talk directly to the gentlemen upstairs. Can you do that?

F: I can’t guarantee that I won’t be here but I’ll relay what I get. What I mean by that is that I’ll be here, but the words will just come through like from them. I don’t ever space out entirely.

R: You don’t need to space out, you can just move over a little bit, and let them speak directly to me, if that’s acceptable to them.

F: Who cares what they want?

R: I’d like to have a little more information about them, from them. About who they are, who they relate to you,

F: What would you like to know, as a starting place?

R: Are they a group, or a solo individual?

F: Why don’t you address it to them, just because it allows a little distance.

R: All right, I’d like to speak to the gentlemen upstairs and ask them to tell me a little more about themselves, whether they represent themselves as individuals or a group — Continue reading TGU session 08-08-01 (1)