The Other World

[continued from yesterday’s post]

R: Okay, I’ve been wanting to ask some more about duality. Our physical world seems to be wrapped in duality, and I have sometimes felt from your answers that duality seems to exist on the other side as well, but I’m not clear about that.

F: Oh, I think you’re very clear about that. It’s always a mistake to assume that the other side, as it looks to you, is perfect, or completed. When creation split things into duality, in order to create something, it didn’t only happen on the material realm. If you’ll look at your bible, you have the good and the bad angels, or at any rate the angels that fought. Well, that’s a duality well beyond the physical. And don’t get your hopes up, once you go over to the other side it’s not all over. [chuckles]

R: I though it was all going to be love, because love has no opposite!

F: Uh huh.

R: [pause] You don’t want to respond to that?

F: Oh, well, we will if you want! It didn’t sound like a question!

R: [laughs]

F: Well, why isn’t that true for where you are?

R: Well that is true—

F: All right.

R: — but there are a couple of concepts that seem like they don’t have a dual aspect. Love is one of them. Continue reading TGU session 11-06-01 (2)

November 6, 2001

[Rita had given me, as a gag gift, a “laughing bag” – a sort of soft misshapen pyramid with a smiling face on it which, squeezed, gives off maniacal laughter. Her label on the box said “to your amoeba from my amoeba.” TGU had said, playfully, that they didn’t think it was a very good image of them.]

R: I’m going to go back to where we started, which is this criticism of the image that was presented tonight in a yellow triangular form. The response seemed to be that it wasn’t a very good picture of you! And the fact is that I was thinking of it as not a very good picture of the amoebas, but still, a move in that direction.

F: Well, this is a very productive – Keep going.

R: And so I’m back to asking again, aware as I read our notes that I’m sometimes not very clear where we end up about whether the amoebas are something  predominately on that side, with a little life popping out of it now and then to be lived on this side, or whether the amoebas are operating primarily from this side. I’m confused.

F: It’s not a meaningful distinction. What you could think that would be more meaningful is that you, as an individual, are part of an amoeba that extends well beyond your one physical life and your one physical time and space slice, wherever you happen to be at the moment. That larger being may have other life forms in the physical or it may not, and by definition it exists outside of time and space with one or more extensions of itself in time and space. Of course, there are also amoebas that don’t extend into time-space, but we’re not talking about them at the moment. So the question about whether it’s primarily there or primarily here is a misunderstanding, really. There isn’t any “there” there. The point is that you and we are parts of the same thing, and we exist within the amoeba. Now, remember we only invented that term as a convenience.

R: Yes, I’m aware of that, and yet it seems to be individualized.

F: Remember as well, though, that from the beginning we’ve told you that we on our side are individual but not individual. We are one thing, but not one thing. That is, we are monads. We could be looked at as cells comprising one tissue, or we could be looked at as individuals cooperating closely. It’s not at all the hard and fast division that it appears to be, to you, because you’re living in time-slices. Continue reading TGU session 11-06-01 (1)

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R: Okay, and so on the question of the number of amoebae. Can we think about numbers of amoebas?

F: [laughs] 100.3.

R: I don’t want to know how many [they laugh] But is there some limit to the number of amoebas?

F: Well, we don’t really have any idea. It’s not something we’ve observed. It isn’t like new beings are created absolutely. Lives are created in the physical and go out again, but that’s not the same as creating a life from our point of view. However, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. We don’t know. We’ll look around.

R: You don’t think a couple of amoebas get together and create a third?

F: [chuckles] You may be really disappointed in the other side. [they laugh]

However, it is an interesting question. Continue reading TGU session 10-30-01 (2)

October 30, 2001

R: All right, now we’re getting back to our major questions here. This is a follow-up from last week. We were talking about what happens when we drop the body and move into your territory. You said a number of things I’d like to follow up on. One is, to quote you, “a scenario is being created and individuals dropping their body are being inserted into it.” And another quote, “we are all under an over-arching intelligence that creates the whole thing.” This suggests, certainly, a creator or a God or a plan developer of some kind —

F: Well, now, we would caution you on the first part. Remember, somewhere — probably “a long time ago” — we said that the scenario that you walk into when you drop your body is actually planned around you and for you and partly by you, by your larger being that you’re a part of. And the awareness or non-awareness of a larger being determines whether or not you think that scenario either came into being by itself or that you made it up – although you’re not likely to do think that you made it up outside the body. So your speculation is not necessarily wrong, but in that particular instance, you yourself –the larger you, the amoeba you – are crafting the conditions for your own future development.

R: All right. That makes sense. Now the “over-arching intelligence creates the whole thing.”

F: We can tell that there is that, but we don’t know any more than you know. We surmise. Something created this. We can’t believe in the thing that created itself. But maybe at some point we’ll be wise enough to know; at this point we don’t know. It’s clear to us that something intelligent devised it, and that’s as far as we’re going at the moment.

R: Do you have a preference for one term or another like creator, or God, or something rather than use all those words to talk about what we’re —

F: That’s a very good problem to bring up. You know how picky we are about language, and our concern is always to try to be sure that undesired nuances are not incidentally carried along. So really, our preference will probably change in the context, and in some contexts God might be perfectly acceptable, and in other contexts it might suggest attributes or other things that will warp the understanding. So, pick whatever you feel like at the moment, and if it’s carrying nuances that we want to correct, that after all may be useful. Trust your judgment. Continue reading TGU session 10-30-01 (1)

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R: [pause] Okay, the question has been raised about the concept of possession, in which another spirit takes over a body. Usually when that occurs the descriptions are of negative entities taking over a body. Is that something that occurs?

F: You only have trivial questions. [chuckles] Deep waters. [pause]

Well, as always, back up and look at it from unity and from multiplicity. From multiplicity, you have your amoeba. All right? You yourself. And part of that amoeba is born when you are born, dies when you die and lives your life in the meantime. That being makes choices its entire life. And the rest of the being almost invariably respects those choices, waiting to see what kind of flower is produced by the end of the experiment, by the end of the life.

Now, within the field of flowers that is all of reality there are infinite numbers of infinite kinds of flowers, many of them hostile to each other. Many of them representing antithetical qualities, which seems to them that they are good and the opposite is evil. That being so, unpredictably any of your energies, any of your beings, may find themselves in combat with others, and that combat is not necessarily restricted to physical manifestation, and it’s not necessarily restricted to one life at a time. So that in fact you may have your amoeba conflicting with others. In fact, not may, you will. Continue reading TGU session 10-23-01 (2)

October 23, 2001

R: All right then, let’s start with a follow-on question from last week. You were talking about a belief system territory of the Monroe scale, and said that “people of the same electrical frequency create a comfortable environment around themselves.” Then you corrected this to say that environments were actually being created for them. How do those creations happen?

 F: Bearing in mind, as always, that this is an analogy, and we use electrical or we use specific gravity or whatever.

Well, it’s rather like when you first go doing retrievals, and at first think you are responsible for it, that you’re sort of thinking it up as you go along. And then with a little more introspection or sophistication you recognize that the scenario is being created and you are being inserted into it. Well, this is true of your whole life, and by your whole life we mean not just between birth and death at a given time, but the whole life of the amoeba. We are all under guidance. We are all under an overarching intelligence that creates the whole thing. Although we in practice act or even almost have to act as though we were responsible for our lives and our surroundings, in actual fact the circumstances of our lives precede us, and they follow us.

R: Well this raises the “choice” question. And I’m clear about the choices here on this side. How about the choice on the other side?

F: Hmm. A very interesting question. Since we’re learning to look with suspicion [laughs] on things that we’re taking for granted, give us a moment to think about that. [long pause] Continue reading TGU session 10-23-01 (1)

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R: All right, several people are asking — although Frank has already talked about this in the email to people, but we might want to think about it again — asking about out of body experiences and phasing that Bob talked about in his later years. Is there something worth commenting on here beyond what Frank has already put into writing?

F: [chuckles] Yeah, we’ll tell him that in fact, what makes him think his writing is his writing? [chuckles]

R: Well, all right, that part of what you wrote.

F: The major focus of what we’d like to get across to people is that you are all one huge being, seen from one point of view, and you all live as disconnected beings, seen from another point of view. It’s very worthwhile to think in terms of phasing and not out of body, mainly because it reminds you that you haven’t left home.

R: Uh-huh. Then I think he did a very good job in what he typed up.

F: He will disagree who did it. [they chuckle] And in fact, to be honest – to be serious as well – when people write, it is an example of a collaboration just as this is. The overall guidance may come from us. The tactical decisions come from you. Usually. Continue reading TGU session 10-16-01 (3)