23. Interaction

Sunday, May 19, 2024

4:30 a.m. Ready if you are.

Recent conversations – lectures, if you like – have concentrated on the idea that reality is much more interconnected, interactive, than you may sometimes see it. Things relate in time, in space, in psychology, between forms, between differences in size, duration, nature. One of the effects of 3D restrictions is that it can be difficult to hold more than a few things in mind simultaneously, while ideally you would want to be able to hold everything in mind.

This is not to say that that would be possible. It wouldn’t. it is merely to show how far effective communication varies from what would be ideal. Because your RAM, as you call it [borrowing a computer term for available memory], is restricted, you necessarily use work-arounds, such as symbols to associate various elements concisely; such as logic to examine and retain one bit of relationships at a time; such as written or oral memory, to construct and recall sequentially what cannot be held simultaneously.

I’m getting that to some degree this applies in non-3D conditions as well.

That’s what we want to look at, and as usual we will try to keep things practical, sketching outlines only insofar as they will help illumine the nature of 3D life.

In non-3D as in 3D, restrictions apply, it is just that they are a bit different by nature. Still, the restrictions exist, or we should be formless, and nothing that is short of everything can be formless, or – we might equally say – beyond form.

  • We range freely among times and spaces, associating as we please (or rather, according to the nature of the material). This is just like your mental process. In fact, it is your mental process, only with vastly greater RAM.
  • Our range is huge next to yours, because of not having to overcome the drag of continuously changing time constraint – that is, what you call the passing of time. We cannot be “in a hurry” or “pressed for time.” For us, time does not “run out.”
  • Our attention is not subject to distraction from unacknowledged pars of ourselves experienced as “exterior” or “accidental” or even “incidental.” We have only one source of interruption, oddly enough: you. Our connection to 3D tethers us, in a way.
  • By that, we mean not that any of us is tethered specifically to any of you, but that we may respond to resonances. You in 3D don’t exactly “wake the dead,” as people say of disruptive loud behavior, but you do get our attention. Bear in mind, you and we are not strangers nor even neighbors nor family; we are part of the same thing.

You can see a few consequences. List them and we will add to them or dispute with you, as appropriate.

I wish you had continued. Things were coming to the back of my mind but I was concentrating.

Trust the process. This will help you categorize, sort, and retain.

Okay, if you say so. The resonance thing got my attention, of course. In fact, the turning of tables got it. We don’t tend to think of us affecting your processes. But after all, what is prayer but an attempt to connect with the non-3D for one reason or another.

Yes, but list applications.

  • Prayer, then.
  • Memory? Asking our “reference librarian” to access some bit of forgotten information?
  • Aptitudes, in a way? Summoning someone who knows how to do something that we may learn it? One of my TMI roommates told me he set out to throw a pot, which can be a difficult skill to learn, and asked “himself” how it would feel if he had done it a thousand times – and threw it successfully, first time. And my brother, throwing a pot, did so keeping in mind stone-age artists like the men who had painted the caves in France, and experienced a sort of union with him, as if the other man were being allowed to flow through his hands as he worked the clay.
  • Healing? Could our summoning healing spirits not be said to be the 3D employing non-3D organized energies – minds – to assist us?
  • Communication, certainly. This process. One-way in trance-channeling (though perhaps less than we think, I get), and very much two-way in ILC, where active and receptive may alternate between 3D and non-3D many times, not only in which side initiates but also in which side is relatively more active. If I contact you with a question, that’s relatively active; if I begin receptive, the initiative is yours. But either way, we are going to go back and forth as need be, just as in any mind-to-mind communication.
  • Flashes of insight. We think of them coming “out of the blue,” but from the non-3D I suppose it looks like “You’ve been asking and asking; here’s your answer.” Wilbur Wright, twisting a cardboard box absent-mindedly while talking to a customer in his bicycle shop, and suddenly he gets a flash answer to the question of how to control an airborne mechanism.
  • Flashes of recognition. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain suddenly experiencing himself as part of a great unit called the Army. I can’t remember the details, and I don’t think it had to do with a battle, yet I don’t think it was parade either. For whatever reason, suddenly he identified as a part of this huge army, not only as himself as one unit. This may not be a good example, though.

Oh, but it is. All these everyday experiences are precisely what we want to show you from another angle. Naturally when you pray or dream or get an insight or extend beyond accustomed limits in any way, you will see it from the 3D slant. We merely invite you to see it also as it seems from the non-3D.

And further examples come to mind. Inspiration for plays, novels, scholarship, any of the arts and sciences. It is connection to something beyond ourselves! Obviously.

Don’t forget meditation, Zen, any form of mental alertness devoid of content. This is an extending beyond the (invisible but very real) boundaries of sequence. No words, no sequential processing; at least, potentially so.

How does that call your attention?

We are always ready to help. An attempt to transcend 3D limits always attracts us, always serves to get our attention and potentially our assistance. Don’t forget, we have skin in the game.

Bob Friedman used to say that. What’s your stake in our awakening? And of course the answer is obvious. We  are also you.

Correct.

We are helping you grow, or are hindering you, depending on how you want to look at it.

Correct.

It leaves me speechless, not in the sense of stupefaction, but by not having anything come to mind. So I take it that this ends our session, a little early. Our thanks to all of you, for all of this.

And ours to all of you, for listening. We haven’t said it in a while, but perhaps now our thanks will resonate differently.

They do. Till next time, then.

 

22. The universe deciding

Saturday, May 18, 2024

3:45 a.m. Onward? Did you want to tell us what you meant by the universe making up its mind? Or did you have a different direction you want to go in?

By saying that, we meant merely that the universe is one thing, comprising many things. You will remember, we described the structure of reality as fractal, “as above, so below.” Man is the measure of all things.

I get it. That holds psychologically as well as physically.

We have to smile at that formulation. Don’t you think that’s kind of backwards?

I guess it is, now you mention it. Of course psychologically would be primary, given that the physical is mind-stuff.

So, at any level you care to examine, the same processes are going on, although their similarity may not be obvious. If the life of an individual is choosing, so is the life of any level above or below the individual.

That raises an image of the microbes within us choosing.

As we said, not always obvious. How do you suppose your health fluctuates, if not in response to fluctuations among the microbes that you are?

  • They are affected by their environment, physical so-called and, mostly, mental.
  • They are affected by their chemical composition, by every combination that surrounds or comprises them.
  • They in turn make certain things possible or easy or impossible or difficult in the larger organisms they help comprise.
  • And – remember, though this must seem counter-intuitive, given the continuous evidences of your senses – they too are mind-stuff, hence are part of the equation, not afterthoughts.
  • Why else do you suppose that your physical health is affected by your choices? We mean, the physical directly responds to the mental: How? You see?
  • Be careful not to be misled by the fact that a given phenomenon may be called by this or that name. That doesn’t mean it’s separate, it means it may be considered separately, the way an arm may be considered apart from a hand or a shoulder, but does not function meaningfully outside the context of arm and shoulder, and of course the same for them.

And, as usual, what goes when you look downward goes when you look upward. You may be considered a microbe in a larger organism you can scarcely conceive of. That doesn’t mean that’s all you are; it means you can be seen that way. Everything connects; everything is sentient in this same manner; nothing is unconscious or extra or insufficient to fulfill its function.

Plus, remember, this goes on continually, in the eternal present. It isn’t a matter of past, present, future, except in appearance. So in that sense the choices continue not only in all directions laterally but also temporally.

It’s all alive; it’s all in interactive motion. In that sense, the universe may be said to be perpetually deciding what it is, what it knows, what it is for.

You may want to explain that last. “What it’s for?”

If you as individuals repeatedly ask, “What is the purpose of life,” do you suppose you’re the only ones?

I hadn’t thought about it, but I suppose I would have said yes, we are.

Well, then you would be something unique in the world, wouldn’t you? Do you think that’s likely?

We’ve been told that humans are unique in 3D in that we are the ones who change the environment that creates us: mentally, I take it, no less than physically. If we are unique in that, why shouldn’t we be unique in other things?

There’s a difference. Changing your environment by your choices is your role. Trees, minerals, other animals, all have their roles. So in that sense, you are not unique. You are playing your specialized part as everything does. But if would be different for you to be the only ones concerned with the meaning of life.  You would be more conscious than the rest of reality.

Is that so impossible? I thought the purpose of the 3D environment or at least its result, is to increase our focus.

This is ranging a little beyond our intended scope, but since it comes up, we can pursue it.

As 3D affects mental life, it both sharpens and narrows your consciousness. You can perceive only here-now; you can experience only here-now. But that very limitation provides the ability to conceive, to virtually experience, what you cannot experience within the 3D environment. Thus you are brought to your toes, and are given wings. Does this make you more conscious, or less conscious, than those in non-3D?

Not sure where we’re going here. Both or either, I suppose.

And if you, why  not cats? Or elephants? Or fields of grass? They live in 3D constriction. They respond to life minute by minute. They function and their lives are “recorded” same as yours. Is there a difference?

It feels like there is, but I’d be hard-pressed to say what or how.

We would see it this way: Each kind of 3D creature has its specific function – its ecological niche, you might say – and in that sense is different. But they are all part of the same reality.

It’s the usual thing: Do we identify with the actor or the director or the movie as a whole.

Precisely. Where you begin limits how you cans see things. But the cure for that limitation is merely to see it from a different starting-place, and take in the new view, not forgetting or overriding the previous, but adding to it.

As you told us as long ago as Muddy Tracks.

Reality hasn’t changed.

To return to the mental life of microbes –

Here you can see the power of words to channel or limit your perceptions and reasoning. If we said “The mental life of microbes” it would seem artificial, almost ridiculous. But if we said, “The mind-stuff molded into microbes as it was similarly molded into humans,” would that seem such a stretch?

I see your point.

Reality is all one thing. You have to keep coming back to that. If you allow 3D dualistic bias to overcome your ability to intuit unity, you will never come to the greater truth that lies beyond sensory evidence.

So perhaps you can see, in saying that the universe if making up its mind, we mean (among other things) that everything is alive, it is conscious, it is aware, it is questioning, it is deciding (weighing) as it goes along. Each part of reality has its own specialization, but specialization does not mean separation, it means a different emphasis.

“Man is the measure of all things.” If you want to know reality, come to know yourself. You can’t know the mind of a planet, or a star, or a nebula. You can’t know the mind of a cat, or of cats as a group-mind, or a microbe or a piece of granite. But you can come to know you, and in coming to know yourself you can feel your way to the rest. We don’t know any other way to say this that will make it clearer.

I get that you’re ready to stop for the moment, and it has been an hour, but tell me, what do I call this session? What was its center of gravity?

“The universe deciding” would do as well as anything.

Okay, our thanks as always.

 

21. Creating flowers

Friday, May 17, 2024

4:10 a.m. All right, my friends. Do you want to follow up on things begun but not yet ended, or do you have something else in mind? Yesterday’s certainly was great, and unexpected.

Remember, overall we are intending to summarize the salient points and the unmade connections from material given you over 25 years. So massive a task needn’t fit into a strictly logical progression. But we could and probably should clean up as we go along. Perhaps we should talk about how life is, and is not, creating something permanent.

In the interval since you first posed that, I guess an idea has coalesced while I have been thinking about other things. We aren’t able to create anything permanent until we do – and then we are something other than we were while creating it, so you could say it either way. We did or we didn’t, depending on how you define “we” before and after.

As you have been known to say, “That isn’t clear.” But it will serve to start us off.

We trust that we have established that the creation cannot be in any way physical. Even in 3D terms, you are not constructing something that thieves could break in and steal, or rust or other physical process attack. Since 3D itself is mind-stuff, how could anything real be created of something only somewhat real?

Nor could it be particular to any individual. How could it be, when individuality itself is a form of horseback tentative definition, not really accurate?

And, could it be confined to what you see as one species – humanity? The concept of humanity as separate from the rest of nature is another merely approximate definition. You realize by now that part of your mental being consists of plants, clouds, minerals, animals: Where is the boundary line, the frontier, between “human” and “other”?

So then, where is a line that can be drawn? Could it be drawn by time-slices? The Age of Exploration, etc.? There is more to this than first appears, though it cannot be divided any better than can individuals or species.

Still, I’m getting a vague sense of it. We are different in different eras. Our ideas, our ways of experiencing the world, our possibilities, are different.

Yes, and this is what we’re moving toward describing. Just as “Thoughts are things,” so a world-view is a thing.

Ah! And just as an individual life may be seen as creating a flower by what it shapes itself to be (and is shaped), so with civilizations!

Yes, and all the niches between individuals and civilizations.

My, my! I can feel the idea beginning to flower within me, speaking of flowers.

Well, Mr. Amateur Historian, spell it out a little. It will grow as you express it.

Well, take Toynbee. He spent a good deal of time looking at history as the record of different civilizations and how they competed, coexisted, overlapped, succeeded each other, were influenced by each other consciously and unconsciously. He wasn’t concerned with wars and commerce, but with the situations leading to and following wars and commerce. That is, he developed a sort of biography of a given civilization and then it became a chronicle and analysis of the interaction between and among them. He developed a set of laws of interaction that are much more sophisticated than the popular idea of his work allows for.

In light of what you’re saying, I’m seeing this a little differently. Each of those civilizations could be looked at as an individual gathering. Within that gathering are all the ways that civilization could be seen: its moods, you might say.

Provide a few examples, to make it clearer, the distinction you are seeing.

Let’s stick to the West, then. One subdivision is America. I guess bullet points are our best bet here: It’s a good deal of information.

  • The Spanish Empire throughout South and Central America.
  • The Incas and Aztecs and others that preceded it.
  • The nation-states that succeeded it.
  • In all periods, the subdivisions that coexisted: castes, classes, religions, linguistic communities, traditions, etc.
  • Over time, the gradual transformation of all of these, whether smooth or violent, consistent or erratic, as “the times” changed around them and other influences had their effect. (Foreign intervention by example or invention or conquest, say.)

In any given time, any given place, you could define a group that is smaller than a civilization but larger than an individual family. And you could multiply these subdivisions, or could make larger and larger groupings, depending upon which way you go.

Yes. And you see, this cannot be nailed down by logic nor by careful analysis nor by extensive documentation, because there are no fixed and permanent boundaries. The boundaries are in the eye of the beholder, and in the imagination of the perceiver of relationships. Nonetheless, these are all flowers.

And you could continue to subdivide by less tangible lines of inquiry. People’s attitudes toward plants, toward various animals, toward nature in general. These are very important distinctions, invisible until searched for.

Some people love cats, and some hate them, and some are indifferent to them.

And you could discern similar fault-lines anywhere you cared to look; exactly. Well, every such division  marks a grouping, and every such grouping is a flower.

And, as you say, we could discern such fault-lines in any direction we looked.

Yes, but at the moment the emphasis is not upon the observer but upon the fact itself. You live within a certain way of experiencing the world. You contribute to it, as well, by your choices visible and invisible, tangible and – mostly – intangible.

If we choose to see things one way, we are voting for a change? Ed Carter thought our voting would determine what happened to our civilization. I don’t mean voting in voting-booths, of course.

You might try looking at it this way. Given that all possibilities always exist, your choices vote on which reality you wish to be in.

But that has problems.

Of course it does. No model can escape the limitations of its argument. Change context and you change the facts to be contended with. But it is nonetheless a productive way to see it. Feel your way into it, don’t try to logic it. You choose which reality you wish to inhabit.

Now, choosing isn’t the same as wishing. If you are in the East in the 1840s and you want to go to Oregon, or California, you don’t get there by saying, “Wouldn’t it be nice? I’m going to get there by intending that I’m there.” If you want to go to the Pacific, you have to take steps. On the one hand, every action begins with a decision or an implied intent; on the other hand, that intent is just turning the tiller or turning the steering-wheel. It doesn’t get you there by itself. Sustained intent is essential, but it is not sufficient.

And the same goes for civilizations and sub-civilizations and cultures and communities, all up and down the scale.

Indeed it does. A place to pause. Satisfied we aren’t lost yet?

I’m smiling. Maybe you got lucky. Our thanks as always.

 

20. Extension and growth

Thursday, May 16, 2024

4:05 a.m. Gentlemen, your choice. You said yesterday you wanted to discuss giving freely vs. charging for information we get for free. But I counted three other things you began and have not finished:

  • Creating something permanent
  • The universe “making up its mind”
  • Life’s meaning

What’s your pleasure?

We haven’t lost track. That said, it’s good for you to keep track as well. It is a complex argument to set forth, and we’re easily side-tracked. However, it all evens out.

What we want to say about freely giving isn’t actually an interruption. It proceeds from our motivation of expansion through giving. You understand, we’re talking here about life more abundantly, not the acquisition of things or of talents or of accomplishments or of the love of others.

I am seeing the distinction ever more clearly as a distinction between self-definitions.

Very good. Yes. Life more abundantly means, expansion of who and what you experience yourself to be. It does not mean a smoother track of the life and the self-definition you have already.

Discussion of the pleasant helpful exchange with the man who was concerned for a stranger led to this. But so do so many things we have discussed over the years. Our sketching of emotion as the boundary between the known part of you (the ego-self) and the not-yet-grown-into parts (the unconscious, according to Jung, which we would say is what you are unconscious of; your unknown functioning that is also potential). The redefinition of 3D humans as communities of strands rather than as the units they seem.

Your friend John Nelson had his character in the novel say (in effect), “It’s always the same thing. They come to me to learn how to change without changing.” We would say, yes, that is the problem, seen one way. Seen another way, it is more that the idea of having to change is the problem. You don’t need to change what you are (you couldn’t anyway); you need to change which parts of yourself express, which makes it look like you changed, but in fact what changes is expression. If your life has been the living-out of ten things, and then becomes the living-out of those ten plus two more that you had previously not suspected you also were, will your expression to the 3D world not change? Yet you will still be what you were, only more so.

I think that could be said more simply.

It is usually easier to restate concisely than to feel your way into an initial expression. Feel free.

I get that you are meaning, we are always more than our idea of ourselves, and that the more selflessly we act, the more of ourselves we can come to know. I gather that this is because love, expansion, leads naturally to growth, while self-absorption merely reinforces the definition we begin with.

Stated a little too flatly, but more or less on track. It is in the nature of things that reaching out is the way to growth. Think of the children you once were.  Can you remember the outflowing energy, avidly interacting with the world? The state of expectation? The free enthusiasm? All that is consistent with a default state of growth. Children expect to grow. They have no other experience of life but growth. Although they are very aware of what they learn to do, the learning isn’t the center of their attention, it is the new wonder that each year brings.

“Except you be as little children, you can’t enter the kingdom of heaven.” Is that the meaning?

That is one meaning. Obviously a grown-up cannot return to a state of ignorance, but can return to a state of innocence. You can’t go back to not-knowing; you can go back to a default state of expectation.

Ah. “Life is good. All is well.”

Every child begins with that knowing. What child ever came into the world grumbling, or depressed, or lost, or jaded? It is true, a harsh life may soon warp them, but they didn’t start that way. And neither – o grownup human reading this – did you. And you can return to that earlier state.

It is a decision, as much as anything.

Haven’t we been advising you, from the very beginning with Rita so many years ago? “All is well. All is always well.” Now see it in this new context.

Let me connect a couple of dots. I’m getting that the underlying key here is, “Life is good.” Not, “Life would be good if only,” nor “Life will be good as soon as,” but “Life is good,” period. That feeling of affirmation – somebody called it the Everlasting Yes – is the key to our growth.

Not just to your growth (which implies a future state) but also to your functioning right here, right now.

Will you allow world affairs or politics or natural disasters or tax difficulties or physical problems or relationship issues or mental stagnation – or anything – to persuade you that life is anything but good? That all is anything but well? To the extent that you allow that feeling in, you hamper your own natural flowering.

And our reaching out to others is a way to preserve that knowing?

You aren’t wrong, but we offer a caution here: Be careful not to devolve into doing good for someone in order to get something, even merit. Jesus said the person who does good and gets praised for it has had his reward. One thing he meant by that little parable is that there is a big difference for you in giving for its own sake and giving in hope of some return. The latter is still good, but it isn’t the same order of thing as the former.

Your wellbeing is in growth, always. But what does that mean?

That no matter what happens to us, we can use it.

Superficially, yes. Looked at more closely,

  • Nothing “happens” to anyone. Life is not chance, no matter how it seems.
  • Therefore by definition nothing “happens” by accident. You know this with one part of your mind, but connect it to this:
  • Growth has patterns, possibilities. Therefore, different sequences of events (inner and outer) are part of different patterns.
  • Therefore – and how many times have we said it – it is up to you to choose what you want to be, what you want to grow into.
  • By 3D logic, this is a future-oriented process. But really, it is about the present, of course. Your choice is now, always. When else could it be? It will affect present, future, and past, though that may seem logically impossible. Choosing is how you create your own reality.
  • “Choosing your own reality” may be restated, “Choosing your own growth path,” or “Choosing your own ‘external’ influences as you go along.”

If you will go through the Gospels reading what Jesus said and interpreting it by way of these thoughts, you will see that you were given a trustworthy and subtle guide to growth in awareness. He did not explain any of it in these words: How could he have done so? Who could have followed? It would have been only words, and inexplicable words at that. But you have the way to read him that the very apostles did not have. Use it. Do for him what you did for the Gospel of Thomas or for Bronson Alcott. Instead of criticizing (as many do), seek for the inner thought, and use it.

Enough for the moment.

Yes, thank you. Till next time.

 

19. Permanence, meaning, and impermanence

Wednesday, May 15, 2024

6:35 a.m. “What’s it all about,” from yet one more viewpoint, this time the interaction of points of view among time-spaces. At least, that’s what I think you meant, last time.

You are accustomed, most of you, to think in terms of future, when you consider questions of purpose. “What is this leading toward? What may we become?” but it is a little more productive to consider the same question of meaning in past and present tenses, as well. It isn’t only, “What does this lead to?” It is, also, “What did this lead to?” And, “What are we actually doing now?”

You see? To understand anything, you need to consider what and how, or you cannot understand why.

It has always seemed to me that this is one of the things wrong with slogans like, “The end justifies the means,” or “Doing evil that good may come,” or even “This is necessary for the greater good.” Besides being convenient rationales for self-serving, they are also short-sighted. That is, wrong morally and wrong factually.

We won’t go into that now, so that we can proceed to the point we hope to elucidate, but perhaps we can look at that in another time. It boils down to: “You ignore context at your peril.”

So, what does the interaction do? What did it do? What will it do?

(Bear in mind that structuring it this way, though it may seem strictly logical to you, seems so mostly because it conforms to your ideas about flowing time. You have changed those ideas in one part of your mind, but the senses and your previous indoctrination preserve the more conventional idea within you, to a greater or lesser degree, depending.)

  • Past. You live as you were “assembled.” You are composed of strands each of which “lived” its life, made its choices, became what it became, and serves as partial template for your life.
  • Present. You make your choices among these elements within you, and you influence them as they influence you. We will need to say much more about this, but the point is, every element in the equation is functioning now, changing now, becoming the basis for its future now.
  • Future. You are shaped by past decisions, but the future you that has been shaped has its input into the decisions that were made, because, again, it is all alive, it is all the eternal present.

The one feature that is obvious, no matter how you look at it, is –?

Impermanence.

Impermanence. Therefore, elementary logic tells you –?

The desired result cannot be to build something permanent. Or is it that, until we build something permanent, the game goes on?

Very good. Both, and neither.

I know, I know: It’s all in how you want to look at it.

We couldn’t have said it better ourselves. We smile. So let’s look at it both ways, first one way at a time, and then, if it proves feasible, both ways at once, and if that proves impossible, one way, then the other, then the one in terms of the other, but this goes on and on, an endless process of what you call stepwise refinement. Better – if we can accomplish it – to show the two aspects singly and together, and leave further refinement to the interested individual.

Permanence. If life is building toward a goal, a structure, what could it be? Given that everything is mind-stuff, it cannot be something that 3D would recognize as a material structure.

That isn’t clear logically.

No, but let’s proceed. The setting-out of the reasons that it is logically defensible would be a longer process than is justified. Take it as given for now.

If life is but a dream, what “solid” result can that dream be after? Couldn’t you say that, in a way, reality is the universe “making up its mind” about something?

That’s both breath-taking and irritatingly vague.

It is, isn’t it? Do you suppose that may be why this hasn’t been spelled out once and for all, long ago?

Or let’s suppose that in fact no such permanent result can be achieved. Does that amount to the universe spinning its wheels? Is it all as the poet had one of his puppets see it, a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing? Treat this as a real question, not a rhetorical one. Your response will help point the way.

Well, you could argue it either way, I suppose. The point of life certainly isn’t obvious to us as we proceed through it. Mostly we have to take on faith the idea that there’s a point to it that isn’t just a fiction in our minds. But for me, anyway, I find the evidence against the “tale told by an idiot” idea to be stronger, and I’ll tell you why. It isn’t any way scientific, but it is experiential. Life feels real, particularly when we experience it emotionally, and particularly when we experience it in positive emotions in terms of others.

Describe your experience.

Well, you know, even at the time it felt like that little moment meant something. I take it this was a set-up.

No, other than helping you experience it consciously, fully, rather than half your attention elsewhere.

I see. That sounds right. Well, I was returning some books to the UVA library, Sunday. From the parking garage to the Clemons library entrance is a good number of outside steps upward – the equivalent of at least two stories, maybe three. I had a lot of books in my bag, eight I think, and it was a lot of steps. I had to pause a couple of times on my way up. I was perhaps two-thirds to the top when a voice from near the bottom asked if I was all right I said, as I do, “I will be,” meaning when I get my breath back, and I thanked him for asking. At the top of the stairs, I was sitting on a bench waiting the few minutes for Clemons to open, so he caught up with me. He asked again if I was all right, and where did I want to go (he not realizing that this was where i was headed). I told him what was going on with me, and no big deal, and in a couple of minutes the library opened and we were inside and went our separate ways. The point here is that I noticed the genuine concern this stranger had. That happens to us all the time. Sometimes we are the recipients, sometimes we are the extenders of the concern, but in either case what is it but a selfless act of love connecting two people for no ulterior purpose and with no tangible result other than the connection itself. I am a white man in his late seventies. He is a black many probably in his fifties. We know nothing of each other but the moment, and the moment both was and was not anything special.

And, you see, the real in that moment is invisible, intangible, and is without setup or result, but it is what was real.

That’s  how it feels, yes. And that’s how it always feels when I’m moved to try to help somebody, or somebody helps me. It is the realest part of reality, but I couldn’t and can’t say why or how.

Ah, but we can. That’s what we are doing.

Oh! I get it!

Yes indeed. It is when you extend beyond yourselves that you experience more of yourself than your self-definition. That is why selfishness is self-defeating. It is a form of fear, a shrinking. Love is expansion.

As simple as that. Obvious, as you say it.

Obvious after we have spent quite a bit of time laying groundwork!

Well, we’re grateful for it, you know. Now, does this answer the question about the point of life? I mean yes, expansion is via love. But still, does that prove anything about life’s meaning?

We smile. It depends entirely upon what you means by “prove.” Logically, of course not. It doesn’t begin to prove it. But viscerally? You tell us.

Of course it does. It resonates. But I’m in the position of knowing what I cannot demonstrate logically or even tentatively.

And this is an obstacle, how? Given that no one persuades anyone of anything, what do you need logical proof to do? Setting out your truth is all you can do, all you need to do. Those who have ears will hear. All you can do – or anyone can do, very much including us – is try to clarify relationships, to hint why what is so is so. That’s all that can be done or need be done, because every individual is a world to himself or herself. That is, you live in whatever world you resonate with. Reality in effect confirms your expectations.

“We create our own reality.”

That is the sense of it, yes.

I think that isn’t the way most people interpret that saying of Seth’s.

So? Interpreting the ideas others express says more about where the interpreter is than it does about what is interpreted.

We’re well beyond an hour, but I feel impelled to say what has been in my mind for this while: “Freely you have received, freely give.” What’s the relevance?

Setting forth your best understanding is a form of love. Turning it into commerce would alter its character. In fact, we will discuss that next time, though it may seem an interruption of our exposition.

Okay. Our thanks as always for all this, a quarter of a century’s worth and more.

18. Coexistence and feedback

Tuesday, May 14, 2024

6:25 a.m. Shall we proceed? The interaction of threads through time, you said, and among different ages and organizing principles.

The world – reality – is more of one piece in its diversity than may appear, and one reason for it (or one consequence, if you wish to look at it differently) is that all ages, all points of view, are alive. It is not mostly dead or as yet uncreated except for one sliver called the present moment. It is all alive, all the time. And this has consequences, some of which are not obvious. It is a continuous contention among influences. The way of seeing things that died out ages ago (as seen through 3D time-slices) is still alive and well. The way of seeing that has not yet formed in your moment is still alive, or you would say is already alive.

Obviously there is no way of making sense of this if you think time moves, as it appears to. We trust that no one reding this is still captive to that way of seeing things, or nothing of this can make sense.

There are so many unsuspected complications, that add richness to life:

  • Your “past life” components – the threads that flourish in a different time-slice – bring to your mental life the assumptions and formulations and predilections of their age.
  • It isn’t that they are hitch-hiking on your life, watching. They are contributing.
  • What is the contribution of another point of view? It is another way of experiencing the world, it is not merely opinions and preferences.
  • You are made up not only of opinions but of visceral responses, many of which may clash violently, some of which may be closer to mutual incomprehension, and up and down the scale of cooperation and conflict.
  • As a boy you liked cufflinks and what you would now consider overly dressy clothes. You were equally at home in dungarees and flannel shirts. You may look at this as different preferences, or you may look a little deeper and ask why the preferences.
  • Similarly, your political attitudes. The surface manifestations varied by time and circumstance, but you came from the same place [this meant, the manifestations reflected the same values] despite contradictions. How is that?
  • And different people are combinations of different values, similarly. How is that, that everyone’s combination differs? Yes, it is because everybody is different, but – why are they different? And – how are they made different?

So let’s do some abstract thinking.

What is the practical effect of the simultaneous existence within you all of different ages?

Interesting way to put it, “different ages,” but I see why you put it that way. If I have a caveman in my family tree of strands, he isn’t just a point of view – he is an active vote on what I am and what I can do and what I may wish to become.

Yes – and you are an active vote within him. You will have to ignore the cognitive dissonance here, if you wish to explore this. Take in the argument first, and criticize it later. Or, if you can’t help criticizing as we go along, remember to stop while you criticize, and resume only when you are ready to perceive again. Perception and analysis: both necessary, but you can’t do both at the same time. If you try to do so, probably you will end up carping at our argument as you go, poking holes. It will do you no good at all. First play along, then see what you feel about it.

Now, it will probably help you to remember at this point that reality is all mind-stuff. It is not an uneasy alliance between mind and matter. Many of the hardest obstacles to understanding disappear if you hold in mind that what seems like physical reality – the journal book, the pen, the computer, the coffee – are mind-stuff; that you and everything are mind-stuff, rather than the separated material you appear to be.

I think we’ve gotten that. As you have said, we’re real, but only somewhat real. Reality is deeper than 3D appearances.

Still, you’d be surprised how often the idea of “things in space” recurs, because your sensory experience is continually assuming it. A reminder every so often seems worthwhile.

The fact that all of reality is mind-stuff rather than some of it being one thing and some being another will be best held in mind as you consider the idea of contact across time and across space and across your mental worlds.

The fascist or Nazi or Stalinist or Maoist world-view is alive and active. The faith in the common man of Lincoln and Jefferson is alive. The belief in the divine ordination of human slavery is alive. The sense of the world as a pit of horrors, or a den of perpetual temptation, or a garden of delight, or a valley of tears – it is all alive.

Anything that anyone ever experienced is alive. This is not a metaphor, not a figure of speech. Just as you are not units but are communities, so those communities are not divided between an active link and passive observers, but are true connections.

I get that you are saying communities in more ways than associating. I get hierarchies, structures? Classes, castes, almost? Specializations?

Yes provided you do not allow your thought to become too concrete. Don’t think in terms of trade unions or political movements or social structures in the sense of fixed organizations, but what is there, always, is hierarchy, organization.

Fluid, though, I take it.

Fluid but not shapeless. Are your lives in 3D shapeless? Could they be? But fluid, to be sure. The most stable among you still experiences flow in what you are.

I was about to ask, when you answered before I finished phrasing the question in my mind, let alone putting it on paper. The question was going to be, Why. The answer I got was, Regulation. I had the sense of a vast machine maintaining itself via feedback from all its components.

The fact that an analogy pretty much has to be either mechanical or organic is an unfortunate constriction of language. Either one has its suggestive and its misleading points. Life is not a machine (lifeless), but it is not exactly organic either. It is above either end of that polarity. Perhaps the best way to think of it is indirectly. You know how sometimes people explain the body as if it were a machine. That is more or less the case here. Not really mechanical, but with analogies to a machine’s active and interactive subassemblies working together to a pattern and for a purpose. But the machine has no will of its own, and here the analogy breaks down.

Does it, though? What about artificial intelligence, as an analogy? Isn’t that a sort of machine becoming ever more sophisticated?

That’s a good question for another time. The point here is that every bit of reality serves potentially as feedback for every other bit of reality. As always, no absolute divisions. A thing once thought, once imagined, once experienced, once fantasized in connection with something else – remains. It lives. It is a part of reality evermore. Cayce said thoughts are things. He didn’t mean they are objects. He meant they are real, and have real consequences. Mostly, people think of this in terms of present-tense action, but it is far deeper than that.

We are at a place to pause, I think. But where do we go from here?

Well, where do you suppose all this contention and cooperation and coexistence leads? What is it for? We’ll probably continue from that question, though not definitely.

This is quite a ride. Very well, our thanks as always, for all this.

 

17. Organizing principles

Monday, May 13, 2024

4:30 a.m. Yesterday it seemed you intend to continue by saying that what we’re dealing with is not everything.

That isn’t the best way to put it. Let us just say that there is no way for any discussion to include everything. No mental space, however abstract what it is dealing with may be, can hold everything. There is no possibility of expressing a final Truth that can’t later be seen more clearly. This is not a flaw nor a punishment nor a lack of skill; it is merely a fact of life. The finite cannot comprehend – that is, embody, even mentally – that which is not bounded. Anything that is not limited has no sharp edges. You understand? It has no endings. It is like asking “Where does space end, or where does time end?” the question as posed cannot be answered, not because you don’t know enough, but because the questions silently compound incompatible assumptions.

Like, “How many angels could dance on the point of a needle.”

Yes. You might as well ask what color Heaven is, or how much does it weigh, or what is its tensile strength, or what is its monetary value.

We repeat, there’s nothing wrong with not knowing everything, especially if you are aware that you don’t know everything.

I think you are saying, by indirection, “Stick to what you can know.”

Well, you like to keep things practical. And why not? What is the advantage to going into the im-practical? By “practical” we don’t mean “useable.” It is a perfectly valid function to learn something that can’t be put to some practical use. What is not worthwhile is to pretend you are gathering what can’t be gotten. And of course the joker in that particular deck is that you can’t always know what is or is not within reach.

So let us return to the question of The Meaning of Life, remembering that from a higher perspective than we can attain, perhaps it all looks quite different. And of course, at a practical level, The Meaning of Life always means “The Meaning of My Life.” Could there be a general meaning that did not include the specific? And, if that were possible, what good would it do anybody to satisfy idle curiosity?

I can think of a reason.

To demolish competing error? Perhaps. But what good would that do, finally? Knowledge either is or is not practical for a given person.

But can’t that change over time?

What is or isn’t practical? Yes, of course it can. Why else would the same old story need to be put into new form as the ages roll on?

  • A given age acquires an understanding of how the world is. That understanding is not learned by individuals, as much as absorbed through the cultural atmosphere.
  • Folk tales, traditions, superstitions, attitudes, habits, assumptions – everything in life reflects that understanding.
  • It is not a matter of conscious creation: It is a matter of sensitivity to the Zeitgeist, the spirit of the age.
  • Now, people living in that age think, perhaps. They begin to be dissatisfied with the myth they have been raised on. Their thought may not be more profound than the myth; it may be, and often is, shallower. But it is different.
  • For whatever reason, one age of development passes into another. The myth by which people live changes, to greater or lesser degree. Effectively, the world changes, because of course all you can know of the world is filtered through your beliefs.
  • This altered understanding permeates the social life in the same way as before; it is in the air people breathe. And again, over time, thought, external circumstance, many things, go into the alteration of the zeitgeist.
  • Externally, the times change, as measured by astrology. Internally they change, measured by anthropology or sociology or psychology. The change is real, and not less so because it is not of strictly internal or strictly external origin. Indeed, that is a measure of how real a thing is – how far it extends.
  • All this talk of change and of different understandings involves non-3D and 3D interaction both, of course. That is the nature of 3D life. But it is easy for you as observer of life to underestimate one or the other factor.

We have said more than once that any new age is going to incorporate different materials than did the previous one. It will resurrect some things from the taint of superstition – the mantic arts, for example – and will relegate some previous beliefs into the category of superstition – the idea of meaningless coincidence, for example. Until the new view coheres, it will feel sometimes like a jumble. Until the proper organizing principle appears, you will live in several worlds, changing your viewpoint perhaps every few minutes.

And you have been providing us the organizing principle. I got that.

Not the organizing principle, but one of them. No age has only one organizing principle. It is the conflict among organizing principles within a common worldview that makes an age. For instance, in your present age that is passing away, any of several organizing principles may be a person’s anchor, while yet all people share a common approach.

  • A religious person may believe in God, may see reality through that lens.
  • A materialist may believe what can be experienced by the senses, by “common sense.”
  • A politically active person may share either of the two beliefs but center on the question of how to shape or reshape society.
  • A scientist, too, may be either religious or materialist and may be interested only in understanding some aspect of the world more completely.
  • And on and on. You can extend the list merely by thinking of the kind of lives people live, and of course there is no need to restrict refinement to what people do for a living. It is approach, not how that approach is channeled, that we refer to here.

As it is now, so it has always been and will always be: No matter what the age, it will comprise multiple organizing principles and will be all the richer for it.

So, we are providing you one way to better understand the world and your place in it. The fact that contradictory or overlapping or complementary views will also thrive is not reason for worry, nor a sign of failure. This is not a zero-sum game.

And I gather that it is not only among us but within us that multiple viewpoints may contend.

Of course. And this ties in with the various threads you comprise. Bertram the Norman monk has a very different view of life than you do, or than Joseph Smallwood does, or than does the other Joseph – the Egyptian priest. You all share certain values; that doesn’t mean you see them in the same way or in the same context.

That seems obvious a you say it, but I hadn’t yet put it together.

Everything we have said today is obvious once you see the connection, and may be obscure until then.

This feels now like a long lead-up to seeing threads differently.

Not differently, perhaps, so much as in a different context. This shows you how threads not only help shape you, but how, in so doing, they bring something of other ages into your active psychic space.

Enough for now. Next time, perhaps we will say more about the interaction of threads through time and among different ages and organizing principles. We are tying you as individuals in 3D to you as part of the non-3D mesh, you see.

Well, I do, sort of. I’ll take your world for where we’re going. Thanks as always.