[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram..]
The Nature of Individuals
Rita: Once Frank crosses over, is there some reason to believe that he won’t join those of you who are speaking to him?
TGU: Well, he couldn’t help it. Oh, you mean, in our function?
R: In the functions that you’re engaged in right now.
TGU: [pause] Well, he’s an explorer and a teacher by inclination. It’s part of him. But he has lots of other parts that are other things. [laughs] We’ll give you a choice of answers: yes and no. [they laugh] Yes, in that that particular atom of our being will be on call for a specific person who needs to talk to him, when he’s the closest resonance to someone who’s talking. But the difference between him and Frank is so –
You think, because you’re in bodies, that the body makes a unit. But it doesn’t. The body has huge amounts of stuff inside it that function as a unit, sometimes better, sometimes worse. But the body holds together disparate things. Basically the body gives a point of view and a set of abilities and a locus in time and space. That’s really what the body does! So take away the body, and all those strands of the bundle – well, the analogy breaks down, but you see where we’re going with that?
R: There’s no reason to believe that these parts will hang together –
TGU: Well, they’re not going anywhere, but “there’s no reason to think of them only in that way” would be a better way to put it. Katrina would see them from Katrina’s point of view. It’s the same bundle. But there’s plenty more of that bundle that’s unsuspected and that does not manifest in that life, that would manifest somewhere else. So –
[At this point the tape ran out and a few seconds worth of plastic leader ran through until the cassette clicked off. We changed sides of the tape.]
R: Feel okay?
Frank: Yep. Where were we?
R: We were talking about the various bundles from different lifetimes. We could have a part of the energy moving across temporarily into the “there,” although that’s a time concept, which I assume you don’t want.
[TGU again]: The point is just that individuals are so much less individual than you think they are because they’re enclosed in a body. It would be like thinking that the electric components inside of a tape recorder are all inherently part of that tape recorder, but they’re not. They are, while they’re in a tape recorder, but the tape recorder could be taken apart and all the components reshuffled somewhere else. It’s a clumsy analogy, because that’s mechanical and not alive in that sense, but you understand.
So to talk about will “he” be doing this or that later, in a way we’ll say no, “he” is only here between the time that he’s born and the time he dies, which is a finite thing. That’s a slice of reality during which he functions in a certain way. That slice of reality doesn’t go away; it’s just that you’re not experiencing it. Thomas Jefferson functioned as a particular bundle in a certain place. He’s still doing it in that place, it’s just you can’t access that place.
R: You’ve talked a number of times about the idea of other lives, with the suggestion that parts of the energy field that represent Frank now have participated in other lifetimes – other experiences in different physical bodies.
TGU: With the exception of the tenses of the verbs, we agree with that. It’s more like, “are participating,” although we know that’s nearly incomprehensible to all of you.
R: Well, it is nearly incomprehensible, but I can understand that there is such a concept.
TGU: New Jersey doesn’t cease to exist when you move to New York, but you can’t access it. And in the case of time, you don’t have the ability to go backwards to where you were. Seemingly.
— Edited from The Sphere and the Hologram, published by SNN / TGU Books. Available as print or eBook from Amazon. and other booksellers.