Debrief
F: Well, I sure hope your tape recorder didn’t crap out, [laughs] because that was a – an interesting session! And you can imagine how much of it I have at the moment.
S: Yes [they laugh]
F: I mean, it’s all under control! [laughs]
S: Well, you had a perception that this was a pretty short session for you?
F: It wore me out on the one hand, and on the other hand it felt like the time just flew. Like, I remember, seems to me like I started that thing with a huge burst of words about something or other, whatever I was talking about – it was like a data dump, you know. And then, putting it together now it seems to me it must have gone on longer than I thought; it seemed like it just went on for maybe five minutes.
S: So you think you session length was 20, 30, 40 minutes long?
F: Well, rational brain tells me it was probably about 50 minutes, but it just seemed about half or a third as long as the last sessions.
S: I’m interested in that concept of how people perceive those concepts of differences in time. You think it was about half the length of your previous sessions, on the one hand. On another hand it seemingly was ten minutes.
F: Perceptually I would say it was about half as long. Rationally I would say it’s the same length, or nearly.
S: Oh, okay.
F: Of course, now that I think about it, the other ones were longer than normal, weren’t they?.
S: It’s a fascinating concept that time – wasn’t it Deepak Chopra says, if you could just escape the illusions of our perception of time passing, we’d stop aging and everything else.
F: Well, whenever I’m in there, my perception of time is – I mean, I’m still right, but your perception of time is really distorted. [they laugh]
S: That’s pretty obvious.
F: Well, I know that I’ll feel like a lot of time has gone by, and it’ll just be a couple of minutes, I’ll realize later, listening to the tape. But I’ll be in la-la land there. [yawns]
S: Um, your – this was recorded time of 83 minutes.
F: Holy cow, really?
S: So time is relative–
F: Even intellectually I thought 50 minutes.
S: Uh huh.
F: Well, let’s see here, the blue starts from the bottom.
S: Yeah, blue starts way down here and comes right on up into focus 10 state and just continues to deepen more and more and more and more. See how very much independent of the green line it is? We talked about the difference between the real movement of the blue line movement versus the green line movement.
F: Yeah, they’re absolutely opposite; the green line’s dropping and the – well, again, there’s a lot of reporting going.
S: Right, and it’s just coming back in, talking, and getting excited about things, then dropping down, dropping down, but down here, I thought this was very very interesting down in this zone, because the talking was intruding less, that is you were staying with the perception and not stepping back an analyzing “what is this I’m perceiving, anyway, and how am I going to explain it to anybody?”
F: Oh, and that’s what they wanted me to do, and so I was doing it. So in other words you’re saying there was as much talking there, but it was getting me less out of the state.
S: Right
F: All right, I know how to do that now! Just as I learned how to get the stuff cooler. Okay. Well, that’s good. And now, I had predicted in the beginning that I would go across the null state. We were nowhere near the null state.
S: No not at all, not at all.
F: –although it continually moved —
S: Yeah, I mean it dropped from way down here on up, here. It was quite a dramatic shift. I mean, look at the compression here. Zoom. Quite a dramatic shift from the waking states.
F: Well, I was working hard on that. That’s before resonant tuning, right? Or is it —
S: Right. That’s just before. … But that’s a very very very good chart.
F: Boy, that’s unlike every other one we’ve had, too. Remember, the last one had a U shape, it went like this.
S: Yes, right. You had some shifting down situations.
F: Now, at d, which you said is civil war soldier, I think that’s when I was —
S: That’s when you began to talk about perceiving the civil war soldier and then you began wondering about the knees and all that stuff.
F: “Translation errors. Translation errors.”
S: [laughs] I thought it was an eloquent way to say you were confusing about – you started out with this 27 explanation, and then you went way out here on some other tangent, and then came back and say, “oh, so that all fits into what I was trying to tell you about 27, and that there are translation errors, not only in terms of focus 27, but here; our feelings about what we think is really going on here is also translation error.
F: Yours, not mine. [they laugh] They often, I notice, do that. Like if Bob and I would ask them a question about the business, they go all around Robin Hood’s barn, and it turns out it wasn’t wandering around, but they were just sketching in —
S: Right. “This is not off subject at all.”
F: Well, well, well.
S: And it would be fun to do when you do your transcript on this, you know there’s the linear transcript and then it might go backwards and break it out into an outline after you do the linear transcript; go backwards from the way one would normally write something. You know, normally you think about, “oh, I’m going to outline this, and then I’ll fill in the stories to fill the outline,” but this —
F: I’ve never written that way. [they laugh]
S: But if you just do the linear thing and then break it out and say, “okay, here’s how this sidebar pertains, here’s how this piece of the sidebar pertains, and here’s how this piece of the sidebar pertains.
F: That’s a lot of work. You want to do it?
S: [laughs]
F: I’ve had this sense about the book, though. I think there could be another book in this. And they said, just hang it on my own experiences, it’s an easy way to tell it. Cause otherwise, where do you start?
S: Yeah, I mean that’s all you know anyway.
F: “I’m about to tell you about life, the universe and everything. Let’s start back before the so-called big bang.” All right. Anything else that strikes you? The temperature doesn’t seem to vary too much.
S: No, you were pretty warm to start with, so it isn’t like you had to go from the 70s up to the 90s, and the blush responses there – you know, the little tiny waverings up and down, are kind of like, “I’m into an experience, and now I’m describing it. I’m into the experience, and now I’m describing it.”
F: And I seem to remember saying that in the beginning, that’s what was going to happen. Try to happen, anyway. Well, that’s good. Now I’ll have to listen to it again to find out what it was I actually said, because it’s really gone. It felt deep. I’ve never wanted to skip 15 before, you know, “let’s go up to 21.” They said it’s like – no, you know what? Kelly told me that, years ago, now that I think of it. I had some channeled manuscript and she said read it out of 21 and I said why and she said ’cause it’s closer to the energies that wrote it.
S: Mm-hmm.
F: And at least consciously I had forgotten all about it, but that’s basically the same stuff.
S: Mm-hmm.
F: Anything else?
S: I’m moved to share what I heard from the session. I mean, you’re going to go to your transcript and you’re going to think about this, and you’re going to draw some conclusions about what you heard, and I took away something from the session that is just as valid, or not as valid; the point being is that we each take away from different experiences different things, and I feel like I’d like to share what I took away from your experience.
F: Before you say that, can I tell you that I had at one point a very distinct impression of you talking to Fay about the session? Which is fine with me, if that happens. I don’t know if that crossed your mind or not, but I got real – like a little light bulb.
S: Okay. It was probably important that you say that in sequence here. In Neale [Walsch]’s book, he talks about an unusual discrepancy in saying to ourselves, “I would be fine if I just had more money; I would be much better if I just had another job,” and he tries to explain that that style or type of philosophy is backwards, in that it is by realizing how right things are in this moment — that’s where it’s at. And when Fay and I [silently nodding in acknowledgement of the previous comment] talked about this issue, one of the most dramatic, most outstanding illustrations of this was that Fay would say to me, “I want to heal. Ever since I can remember, I’ve always wanted to heal, and that’s why I became a nurse, because I really want to heal.” And I said, “well you know, based on Neale’s book, what you’ve done?” And she says “well no, what do you mean?” I said, “well that affirmation, that prayer to God, has been immediately granted, and you have been able to go through your life seeing sick people all your life. Because to say, I want to heal, means that you carry along with you, “I must see others as being sick.” If I am affirming, “I want to heal, I want to heal.”
F: Very good.
S: Now in that same genre – I’m not off-subject here–
F: [laughs] I’ll give you the same latitude I give the guys.
S: In that same genre, I see you talking to me weeks ago about wanting to do sessions in the booth; that you were seeking inspiration.
F: Mm-hmm.
S: And I am very strongly drawn to thinking about inspiration means “breathing in” and how is that manifested in the physical world when you say “I want to be inspired,” and immediately you are granted “you will live the being of needing to be inspired,” and that manifests in the physical world. You’re joking about being allergic to the booth, but it manifests in the physical world as asthma. Needing to breathe in. Needing to breathe in.
F: Mm-hmm. Was it needing, or wanting? Because wanting would even be worse!
S: Yes. Wanting. Wanting inspiration would be worse. Because that would be saying–
F: I don’t have a breath!
S: That’s right, I don’t have the breath. Manifesting in asthma. So a state of seeking or wanting inspiration manifests as asthma. Hence: better to realize, you’re always inspired. And here you walk in here today telling me about, “I’m being prompted, I’m being prompted, I’m being prompted.” You are living, knowing that you are always inspired–
F: [chuckles]
S: –and your asthma’s going away.
F: Gone, today.
S: I also take note of big, huge yawns in the booth. Huge big sighs —
F: Oh, inspirations! [they laugh]
S: Yes! Yes! Yes!
F: Those commies!
S: Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
F: I’m not talking to them anymore. [laughs] I’m going to hold my breath til I turn blue. [they laugh] Oh, isn’t that funny. Inspirations. And they made a big thing – I remember this now that you mention it, of inspiration versus thinking, of the logical plodding, which is necessary, as opposed to stuff that’s being given to us. Or we’re giving to ourselves, or however you want to put it.
So basically you’re telling me you’re bored with the whole process.
S: It’s so wonderful. I treasure so much being a part of this.
F: I think the recording of all this is important too. I mean of transcribing. A lot of work, but I think it may – when I finally get to the end of it, then we’re going to go back and look – because nobody would listen to the ten tapes and be able to hold it in their heads, but you can read it and hold it in your head.
Okay. Anything else?
S: No.
F: All right.