[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram.]
Sept. 11, 2001 (3)
R: Would the events that happened in our time and space today change the energy at your level in some ways?
TGU: Well, you know, we’re not surprised by any of this. We know what’s going on that hasn’t happened in your area yet. We know converging probabilities are practically certainties. So, how should it change our energies?
R: Well, I’m saying that there may be on the earth level lots of demand for your attention today.
TGU: But, you know, how many people died? When you have 15 or 20 or 30 billion at a time, then you might start taxing our facilities, but – you know how many ex-people there are? World War II didn’t tax us, this isn’t going to tax us, in terms of a drain on our attention, if that’s what you mean.
R: This would be a small event, compared to the kinds of events in your –
TGU: In a way, you could kill everyone on the planet on the same day, and – the mission of the planet off to the side, just considering that number of people –if we had to, we’d react to it.
R: Well, all the suggestions you made tonight about the future on our planet sound very grim.
TGU: You knew them a long time ago.
R: Well, I haven’t known them. I have really been an optimist. And when the question has been, “Are we going to end with being blown up by atomic bombs, or are the earth changes going to wipe us out,” I haven’t come down on the side of either of those. But it sounds like you’re saying I’m wrong about that.
TGU: We didn’t mention either of those things. [stops, starts and sputters]
R: Well I was using that as an example of the kinds of questions that had to do with how it all ends.
TGU: Well it doesn’t all end. [They laugh] It always goes on. It’s curious to us, how while you’re in bodies it seems to you that anything that takes people out of bodies is not an optimistic end, given that you’re all going to come out of the body anyway, and if you didn’t you’d be stuck. You are going to have extensive disruptions, but your whole lives have been extensive disruptions and you’ve lived them fruitfully and with purpose. Looking back on them, one might say, “Oh my God, it’s been one damn thing after another,” and in a way that’s true. But in another way it’s, “Wow, it’s been the removal of one chain after another.” And in a way that’s true.
If your systems were currently functioning in an optimal or even a sustainable way, then disruptions to the systems would be bad in the sense that you would find it not only uncomfortable but retrogressive. But your systems aren’t sustainable, and most of them aren’t even humane. And disruptions of those systems we cannot see as anything other than a way forward, not backward.
R: By systems you’re talking about social institutions and ways of defining our livelihoods.
TGU: Indirectly, yes. Primarily, we mean the way people are defining themselves, what they think they are. What they think the rules of life are. What they think the purpose or purposes of life are. All of that is very dysfunctional, although – within the overall context, anything that happens is a flower, as we’ve said. But we prefer other flowers, and to see this one destroyed…Well, we’ll ask you a rhetorical question. Would you rather see your civilization destroyed, or the earth? Not that that’s the real choice. But you see what we’re saying. There are times when something being destroyed is not only the lesser of two evils, but in fact is not an evil at all.
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