[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram.]
Harmony
R: This kind of session we’re having here is different from what we did in the lab, where we would be asking you to go to a state where important information is available to you, and ask for you to comment on that.
TGU: We’re open to whatever you want to do. The mechanism wouldn’t be much different because unless Frank becomes a trance medium he’s going to feel the answer and then say it. But you’re certainly welcome to experiment.
R: One aspect of doing it the way we’re doing it is that I get information that I’m interested in, and it may well be that there are other areas that would be helpful for Frank to get in touch with through these kinds of sessions, where presumably –
TGU: If we may paraphrase you, you’re saying perhaps you’re asking the wrong questions by chance and coincidence. [they laugh] We’re not concerned about it. We recognize the unselfish intent, but it’s misplaced. You’re being directed, too.
R: I assume that that’s the case, but I don’t know whether I’m being directed on Frank’s behalf or not.
TGU: Well, you know, we don’t actually see a distinction there. And if you’re interested in that, we could look at it a little.
R: I would like to hear it.
TGU: People get in trouble because they allow their personal interests to override someone else’s interests, because they feel they have to force something to happen. You know, “there’s only one acceptable solution.” If you don’t do that, you can’t get in trouble. Your highest good and his highest good will mesh. They can’t help mesh. [pause] If that’s not clear, we’ll say more, but to us it’s so clear.
[chuckles]
R: Well, I liked hearing that, but I’m not sure exactly how that works.
TGU: Suppose you had a bunch of large goldfish in a pond. They look perfectly orchestrated. They don’t bump into each other, and there’s nothing clumsy about it; it really looks like a dance. This is because everyone makes second-by-second adjustments, watching the other ones. They know where each other are and they just get out of each others’ way. To get awkwardness into a situation like that, just have one fish say “by God, I’m going this way right now, and you just stay out of my way.” Now, even there, you could conceivably still have harmony, with everybody else just saying “okay, well fine.” But when you have two of them [chuckles] the odds are less, and if you have three of them, the odds are less. You see.
Whenever you have people who are drawn together out of an affinity, and are each operating out of the place that you’re operating out of, rather than [self-]assertion, what’s good for you is good for him, and it will always appear serendipitous. When you’re out of that place, anything can happen. But when you’re in that place, there’s nothing to worry about. Literally nothing to worry about. We can’t conceive of a way in which two people, operating on the beam, can wind up where one has to win and one has to lose. It’s like saying black could be white. [pause] So don’t worry about it. [chuckles]
R: Okay, here’s something else. I’ve been somewhat concerned about the possibility of these sessions getting in the way of sessions in the laboratory monitored by Skip [Atwater]. Is there something to be done to make this process easier?
TGU: Is it even conceivable that you might actually be following directions in doing this? [they laugh] In other words, why after so many months did you think of it just now? And why after so many months did it become possible, just now? And not only possible, but effortless. We think those are pretty blatant clues. [they laugh]
R: I can appreciate that. As long as that’s with this situation in mind.
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