Year: 2025

[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram.]

How to Make a Better World

R: One of the things that we think about is how to improve our world for the masses of individuals in it. And we think about that in terms of children, and how children’s lives are led, and how it impacts them and doesn’t. Millions of us have lived our lives trying to make a better world, if you will. And I’m hearing you say well of course, it makes sense that one does that with children. But the whole goal of making a better world doesn’t seem to make any sense from the perspective that you’re speaking.

TGU: We’ll try to say this carefully. Your trying to make a better world is good work, because of what you’re choosing. But “better world” implies that you know how to make a better world. Your ability to know what a better world would be is very great for yourself; it’s pretty good for your family and friends; it’s somewhat good for your neighborhood; and it’s less good the wider the circle goes.

Now, it’s true that abstractly you can have preferences and some of those preferences may be absolutely right. Certainly you want to have clean water rather than water that’s not safe to drink. But in actual human terms your ability to know what’s good and your ability to know what will bring the good is really very limited. We would say your major ability to make the world a better place to live in is one simple thing:

Be a beacon.

R: Say that again?

TGU: Be a beacon. Shine what you are. It’s very powerful. It’s very subtle and seemingly inconsequential. Many of the results are not in the physical plane at all. The closest we could come at the moment would be to say that your reactions – what you are – resonate with others, and that resonance is not just within time-space. We’ve never tried to express this, because you don’t have the words for it. The what-you-are mingles with other people who are the same thing, and it creates a warp, a pattern, in the energy system.

Let’s go back to the basics. By being a beacon, your example – not so much what you do, although that’s how it shows, as through what you do, what you are – encourages other people to be like that as well, and that creates a better world. Now, it’s true that “goodness is as goodness does,” but the “is” and not the “does” is the essence of it. A person could do good works and actually be a negative beacon. A person could do no good works, or none that were apparent, and be quite a positive beacon. So it isn’t the works, it’s the choosing to be what you are.

R: Somehow your essence is communicated out there.

TGU: Yes. Yes, yes. You’re broadcasting your essence every second of the day.

You haven’t any choice about that.

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[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram.]

Wanting to help

R: Okay. A bit of a change of topic here. Sometimes Frank seems to feel very dissatisfied with his life. How do you react to that?

TGU: Well, we’re used to it. [pause] There’s nothing wrong with dissatisfaction, there’s nothing wrong with any state.

R: So this isn’t a situation where you might give him some advice, or –

TGU: Oh, we’ll always give him advice! Will he take it? Or will he be able to take it? And, – [pause]

Supposing you have a child and you want the child to perform some intricate task. You might make it harder for them to learn by hovering over them than by giving them a little distance. You might, by giving them a little distance, reduce the pressure on them, actually. So, in other words, we hear you saying we could help if we chose to by being closer, but actually not. Not in our judgment, anyway. But we’re always there when he asks. And we’ve certainly given him plenty of clues over the years. Plenty of nudges, really.

R: Do you understand the source of his depression?

TGU: Certainly.

R: In a way that you could help those of us who care about him, help him out in some way?

TGU: [laughs] Well, the problem is, how does anyone know what is good or bad, what is right or wrong, what is helpful or not helpful? We appreciate the intent, but this is really his bicycle to learn to ride, and other than running along with the bicycle holding the seat until he sort of gets his balance, there’s not much one can do. Otherwise, he won’t really learn how to ride the bicycle. He may get to the end of the driveway, but he won’t still have learned how to ride the bicycle. It will actually have crippled him rather than assisting him. This is not to say that it is bad to offer someone help. Of course it’s always good.

R: But it sounds as though your recommendation would be to take the same stance you’re taking, which is feel supportive but let him live his own life.

TGU: Well, you wouldn’t have any choice about that anyway. No one can live another person’s life.

You could – theoretically – find the source of someone’s depression, or someone’s anxiety, or someone’s rage, or any other strong emotion or dominant emotional pattern, but as we say, it might not be a good thing. The impulse to help is always good. The care and compassion is always good. But there may not always be a point of application, and if there is a point of application, it may not always be really what’s needed. Supposing one had a fever so that certain germs could be burned out. Reducing the fever might retard the process of burning out the germs. On the other hand, reducing the fever might prevent death, you know, so it’s always a matter of judgment.

To give you the bluntest answer, there’s no way that you can get at his sense of the meaninglessness of his life. He fights that out, but if it were easy enough for someone to give him an answer, he’d have got the answer.

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[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram.]

Silent partners

R: You have explained that Frank is part of you and vice versa, but do you sometimes act as a council in order to advise Frank about something?

TGU: That would be one metaphor, but we would move more toward the metaphor of the automatic habit systems in your brain. It’s more like he is an extension of a certain neural function of the brain that is all of us. Rather than thinking of it as a council, which implies not only individual wills but conflict and clashes, we would think of it more as an automatic adjustment of energies. For instance, you asked this question. We don’t need to sit around and discuss how to answer the question; the question polarizes the answer. It’s a pooling of what we know from what we are. In fact, you could argue that you in bodies are largely responsible for our consciousness because you are limited, and because you’re pointed.

R: Implied in my question was the concept of you sometimes responding to something without Frank included and other times with him included.

TGU: Well, with him conscious and other times without him conscious. He may be off doing other things, too, from our point of view. And frequently is.

R: So the situation wouldn’t arise where Frank would be doing something and you all would be saying to yourselves “boy this is not a good thing for him to be doing.”

TGU: [laughs] This is a less theoretical question than you might think! But there’s nothing more absolutely respected than free will, because that’s what you’re there for. We can watch you play in traffic, and we can say “That is not a smart thing to do,” but we will almost never step in. There are occasions where we’ll step in for overriding reasons, but in general the rule is, “No, if you go play in traffic, take the consequences.” Even though we don’t like the consequences.

R: Okay, so that I understand. He’s operating on the principle of free will and you’re having some reaction to this, which doesn’t include him, at least at a conscious level.

TGU: That’s a very good qualifier, “at least at a conscious level.” Exactly. That’s the nature of conscience. It’s not only “Did I do the right thing or the wrong thing,” but it’s also “Am I on the beam or am I off the beam” in a morally neutral way. If your conscious mind wants to do something, and unconsciously you’re hearing, “No, this is not the best thing for you to do,” or “You could react better to the situation than the way you are,” the thinness or thickness of the barrier between that realization and your will determines how easy it is for you to stay on the beam. So not only we, but also another part of yourself, in a more direct way, is trying to give you guidance, and it’s always up to you to say yes or no.

R: This suggests that you may have an opinion of something that is quite different from Frank’s opinion about it, and different from his interpretation of events, and so on.

TGU: Oh, sure. In fact, even when we agree with what he’s doing, we have a different view. That’s inherent in the situation. Outside of time and space the threads that are separated by time-periods might seem clearer to us than the moment of time you’re in. To you while you’re in a body those threads in different times seem to be absolutely different. So we’re just saying that yes, we always see it differently.

R: You suggested a bit ago that by and large you wouldn’t call these differences to his awareness.

TGU: Oh no. We will always call it to his awareness if he’s interested in hearing it. That is, if he doesn’t block it out. But we almost never would override his will. That could happen, but it’s somewhat a last resort. For instance, supposing someone’s lifetime has important ramifications for the people around them, and for their own sake and the people around them it’s really important that they stay on the beam. If they are about to fall off the edge, it could happen that it would be decided, “No, that’s too disruptive to the whole pattern. It can’t be allowed to happen.” In that case it would be more a matter of that person’s own self over here invading his consciousness, you might say, and causing him to act in ways that would be inexplicable to the conscious person. But that’s a very rare situation.

R: Would Frank be aware of this intervention that occurred?

TGU: Well, it would depend partly on introspection, partly on the dissonance between the action and what that particularly active part of his own mind wanted to do. [pause] A lifetime of introspection will help you in that regard. It will make it clearer when you are receiving transmissions, shall we say.

R: But more typically, he’s asking for your input when you give it.

TGU: [pause] We’re talking about something a lot more than input. We could theoretically override what he wanted to do, so that he would not have his free will available to him. And that’s what is forbidden, almost always. That’s what we’re talking about. The input is always offered, and is always available. [pause] The input is really in a way only a more sophisticated version of his own – or anyone’s own – pondering and experience and wisdom and thought. It’s just from a larger perspective.

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[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram.]

Voices and questions

R: All right, now I want to clear something up. You’ve indicated – you, Frank – that essentially I’m not directly speaking with the guys upstairs, and, whoever I’m talking to, you are answering me.

[As Frank]: Mm-hmm. I’m never out of the picture. I can hear it, let’s put it that way. Go ahead.

R: You’re hearing it. The voice that’s coming through is the voice that I heard when you wrote in your book that it was the guys upstairs speaking.

Frank: Hmm. Okay. So you can hear a difference in voice, huh?

R: My assumption has been that I’ve asked you to move your energy slightly aside so that it can be as direct as possible, and I thought maybe tonight you were saying that that really wasn’t possible. That it’s all coming –

[Back in the altered state, letting the words flow through as TGU]: No, that’s not quite what’s meant. There’s an extreme, which is the trance medium, who will be asleep and won’t know anything that comes, because literally their consciousness will be elsewhere. The consciousness will not be participating.

The other extreme is an everyday consciousness with no intuitive input, strictly rational thinking, aware on a conscious level. In between is this vaguer area, and Frank lives in that area normally. Just as Edgar Cayce’s talent was to be able to put his personality aside and bring it through, Frank’s talent [laughs] – talent or predicament – is to be here and there, to be every day in a conscious level at some point functioning instinctively rather than rationally. There’s not a word for it. Well, if there is I don’t know what it is. [Edgar Cayce (1877-1945) was, of course, the famous psychic known as “The Sleeping Prophet.”]

R: It’s constantly a communication that’s coming out of you and Frank together.

TGU: Yes. To a varying degree. And when he speaks, as usually, without first knowing what he’s going to say, that is very much close to what’s going on here. And that is rather unusual in our experience. People usually stop and decide what they’re going to say, and say it. They decide what image they want to project. We don’t mean that as a criticism. There’s an interposition of their personality that will shape it, whereas with him it just comes. Usually. That’s what’s going on here. That’s why the difference is less than you might expect, and it’s why he’s easily able to go in and out, but it’s also why he didn’t recognize it for all those years. It was so normal that he was looking for something that would be unnormal! He was looking for trance mediumship.

R: I think that’s all I had for tonight. Unless you have something useful to add to this?

TGU: Yes, there is, actually. Your input you undervalue. And we’ll try to give you a sense of the input from the outside, to give you something to chew on intellectually. From outside, it would look like a person with acknowledged and undoubted intellectual ability, and emotional trustworthiness and rational trustworthiness. In other words, smart enough to know what to do, good enough to do what’s in everyone’s best interest. Frank was a reporter professionally and can use those reporting techniques. You use the academic techniques. The professional thinker. And by so doing you can bring better answers out of us because you ask better questions.

If someone asks a vague question about good or evil, they might get better than a vague answer, but the chances are much better if you ask a sculpted, or a crafted, or a thought-out question, and follow it through. The differences between the two of you set up a helpful polarity. If too much were understood already, there would be no need to articulate it, and you can’t learn as well. So actually two people who don’t understand each other intellectually can learn better than two people who do!

This pulling-out process, the teasing-out of the implication of things, will make the product for the end reader. So, we just want to give you that kind of reassurance, because a) it’s not necessarily your idea [laugh] and b), you’re not scunching on other people’s time or interests. And we’ll leave it at that.

R: That was a statement that I really appreciate. And I appreciate the whole session tonight and I am full of gratitude.

TGU: Well, if you can realize it, so are we. It isn’t everybody who can do this, or will do this, for us. With us. Against us. Whatever.

Frank: [stretching] Oh, if they think I’m going to talk about gratitude to them, they’re wrong. [We laugh]

 

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[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram.]

Harmony

R: This kind of session we’re having here is different from what we did in the lab, where we would be asking you to go to a state where important information is available to you, and ask for you to comment on that.

TGU: We’re open to whatever you want to do. The mechanism wouldn’t be much different because unless Frank becomes a trance medium he’s going to feel the answer and then say it. But you’re certainly welcome to experiment.

R: One aspect of doing it the way we’re doing it is that I get information that I’m interested in, and it may well be that there are other areas that would be helpful for Frank to get in touch with through these kinds of sessions, where presumably –

TGU: If we may paraphrase you, you’re saying perhaps you’re asking the wrong questions by chance and coincidence. [they laugh] We’re not concerned about it. We recognize the unselfish intent, but it’s misplaced. You’re being directed, too.

R: I assume that that’s the case, but I don’t know whether I’m being directed on Frank’s behalf or not.

TGU: Well, you know, we don’t actually see a distinction there. And if you’re interested in that, we could look at it a little.

R: I would like to hear it.

TGU: People get in trouble because they allow their personal interests to override someone else’s interests, because they feel they have to force something to happen. You know, “there’s only one acceptable solution.” If you don’t do that, you can’t get in trouble. Your highest good and his highest good will mesh. They can’t help mesh. [pause] If that’s not clear, we’ll say more, but to us it’s so clear.

[chuckles]

R: Well, I liked hearing that, but I’m not sure exactly how that works.

TGU: Suppose you had a bunch of large goldfish in a pond. They look perfectly orchestrated. They don’t bump into each other, and there’s nothing clumsy about it; it really looks like a dance. This is because everyone makes second-by-second adjustments, watching the other ones. They know where each other are and they just get out of each others’ way. To get awkwardness into a situation like that, just have one fish say “by God, I’m going this way right now, and you just stay out of my way.” Now, even there, you could conceivably still have harmony, with everybody else just saying “okay, well fine.” But when you have two of them [chuckles] the odds are less, and if you have three of them, the odds are less. You see.

Whenever you have people who are drawn together out of an affinity, and are each operating out of the place that you’re operating out of, rather than [self-]assertion, what’s good for you is good for him, and it will always appear serendipitous. When you’re out of that place, anything can happen. But when you’re in that place, there’s nothing to worry about. Literally nothing to worry about. We can’t conceive of a way in which two people, operating on the beam, can wind up where one has to win and one has to lose. It’s like saying black could be white. [pause] So don’t worry about it. [chuckles]

R: Okay, here’s something else. I’ve been somewhat concerned about the possibility of these sessions getting in the way of sessions in the laboratory monitored by Skip [Atwater]. Is there something to be done to make this process easier?

TGU: Is it even conceivable that you might actually be following directions in doing this? [they laugh] In other words, why after so many months did you think of it just now? And why after so many months did it become possible, just now? And not only possible, but effortless. We think those are pretty blatant clues. [they laugh]

R: I can appreciate that. As long as that’s with this situation in mind.

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[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram.]

Continuity and Variety

R: Is there some continuity in the role in the physical world that Frank, or anyone else, experiences in a series of lifetimes?

TGU: [pause] We know what you’re asking, but we’re thinking about answering something slightly different, because the answer to your question as posed is “yes, but no.” We are going to rephrase the question.

Suppose you had a hundred lifetimes. Say that five had a common thread. There might be another five with a different thread, and another ten with another thread. When you are in a body at any given time, some easy resonances would come through. In his case, the only ones that have come through with details are modern, and either American or Western European – because they are the closest.

On the other hand, the Egyptian [an ancient priest] and the Englishman [a medieval monk] have come through in a different way because their resonance is closest, you see? The externals are very different but the internal dynamics are very close, so they can come in. So if you’re saying “Is Frank always of a monastic or a warrior or a scholastic disposition,” no. But if you were to say “Is there a line of continuity from him back to several of his other lives,” yes.

You wouldn’t gain much if you came into life after life after life always with the same bias. You want – and believe me, when you’re not in, you do want – to be balanced in many ways. You want the spice of life; you want the experience. You wouldn’t want to be a schoolteacher for 33 lifetimes. You wouldn’t want to be a galley slave, or a king, or whatever. No matter what, it would get old, because you couldn’t learn much from it. This particular life is an experiment of sorts, and a difficult one.

R: [pause] Say some more about that?

TGU: Oh, it’s nothing he doesn’t know. It’s a life being led without external props, more or less, and therefore continuously uncharted grounds. In fact, when he was in charted grounds, it didn’t fit, which made it uncharted grounds for him, you see. To spend an entire lifetime not fitting in to things – without being a professional misfit, which would fit into things, you see –

It isn’t a question of playing Hamlet when you’re actually in Macbeth. It’s more like…[pause] playing a role with blinders and earplugs. You are walking into a stage and for all you know they’re playing Hamlet or they might be playing Macbeth or they might be playing anything. And you’re doing what you can do.

This is not an accident; this was designed this way, but – you asked.

R: What could be accomplished in that?

TGU: It is a trying-out of abilities and of patterns that many people will probably have to learn if we’re going to move on to the next thing. To get people relatively quickly out of existing patterns, it’s helpful to give them a pattern of not living in a pattern.

R: We are trying to be developed to move into doing that.

TGU: Don’t misunderstand us, though, to think that it’s necessarily something that Frank’s going to become famous for! It may not be ever known by anybody but himself, but that, still, is in the mind of man, and will put him in the human subconscious. Everything that’s done, however unheralded or alone or totally anonymous, adds to the potential for everyone else, because we are all one, and it can all be drawn on.

R: It becomes part of the human library, so to speak.

TGU: Exactly. Or, better, you might say that each of you is a neuron in the human brain. Another way to look at it, a little more active and interactive analogy.

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