[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram.]
How TGU Access Knowledge
R: I have understood from you Gentlemen Upstairs that you have a great deal of information – maybe almost all of the information – and that our job is to suggest a focus for identifying the information by asking questions.
TGU: You will have to pardon us if we always answer literally what you say, because we’re so aware of slippage in communications. We would say we have access to knowledge and probably have access to further knowledge when you want it. We’re trying to emphasize, we don’t ourselves know, but we can find out.
R: Okay, well, one question that arises for me is, how does all this information become available to you?
TGU: [pause] To us the process is more or less what it is to you when you’re thinking about something without needing external resources like books or conversation. It’s as though we’re ruminating, only we’re kind of gravitating toward the information.
R: So it isn’t as though the information has to be collected.
TGU: Well that’s how the information is collected. It’s the same way that you do when you associate ideas, or when you hook a fantasy to a dream to an idea to a thought to something you’ve read. It could be looked at that you’re collecting information. It’s really a very similar process.
R: And then does the information get organized in some way?
TGU: It does if you organize it. You organize it.
R: But you don’t have the sense of speaking out of organized files, so to speak.
TGU: Well – we speak out of the knowledge in the same way that you speak out of the knowledge when you talk and don’t censor in advance what you’re saying. It’s really about the same thing. You’ve heard us begin to say something, stop, go at it again from another way to organize the same material that will lead to a slightly different nuance. You all do the same things when you speak – or even when you think, but it’s more obvious when you speak.
R: You started out last time, in response to my question about evil, by saying there are three different ways to look at this material, something like that. That’s what I was meaning by the organization of the material in some way.
TGU: Ah. Well, wait, let’s look at the process. This isn’t something we had to go fetch, so to speak, and therefore you could look at it like these are organized thoughts in the way that you have organized thoughts when you discuss a subject you’ve thought about before. You know how the first time you try to explain something, you make a jumble of it, and by the third or fourth time you try to explain the same thing it has organized itself, seemingly spontaneously? The same with us. When you ask us something on which we are pretty firm, we can say, “Well, it’s this, this, this, and this. And we’ll talk about this first and then this and then this.”
We keep coming back to the fact that it’s almost too simple to get across to you that you and we are the same thing, with more or less the same ways of being, and the main difference is the time-space matrix that you function in and we do not. So, any time that you’re wondering how we operate, start with the assumption that it’s the same way that you operate, and then see that if you can intuit how that would be without the time-space constraint. You may not get it right, but it’ll be very productive. And – as Frank’s very fond of saying – it’ll have the meta-purpose of accustoming you to thinking at a deeper level about how similar we and you are, how it isn’t “them and us” it’s just us. [pause] And you have to realize, that was a short answer, for us.
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