[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram.]
TGU and We Co-Exist
R: When Frank speaks to you, it’s as though he thinks you are seeing things from a somewhat different perspective than he is, or perhaps a higher perspective than he has. So the different perspective suggests that there’s some separation there.
TGU: Think of it as a difference in emphasis. If you are partly in time-space and partly outside of time-space, as you move your emphasis, you move your experience. We – meaning what he calls the guys upstairs – are primarily outside of time-space. You are primarily in time-space. We both extend both places, because there’s no other way it can be. Everyone is everywhere. Everyone is the only place there is. But if our emphasis is over here and your emphasis is over there, yes, it is going to change the point of view. We would suggest to you, though (which will shake up everybody’s concepts, we hope) that we can slide our point of view down toward you, and in fact we do it all the time. You can slide your emphasis up toward us, and you do it all the time. As would have to be, because it’s the same thing!
It’s difficult for us to explain how it is, because everything you see is divided by time-slices, and a reality that is experienced in time-slices, or space-slices, can only be experienced as sequential or fragmented. There’s nothing wrong with that. But we once showed Frank that it was difficult for us to kind of remember where he was, because if you had a five-foot long fish, and you had to find one scale on the fish because that’s where he happened to be, you could have occasional difficulties finding that scale on the fish, you see. [they chuckle] We know that he doesn’t like the analogy much, but that’s too bad.
R: Were you available to Frank before he recognized that consciously?
TGU: Oh, certainly! It would not be possible to live in 3D Theater, as you call it, with only the resources that you have [on your side]. You don’t recognize the help you’re being given every minute. You can learn to, but you don’t necessarily.
R: Was there an effort on your part to get Frank’s attention?
TGU: [laughs] We would hardly say an effort! [they laugh]
Frank: I think they’ve insulted me enough, we can go on. [Rita and I laugh] They were implying stubbornness, if you didn’t hear it. [We chuckle again, then it’s back into TGU mode.]
TGU: In fact one of the things that makes him the most valuable made him the most difficult, and that is the repeated, “I don’t want to be fooling myself, I don’t want to assume something’s true which may not turn out to be true, I don’t want to be a dupe, I don’t want to be a victim of wishful thinking.” It required demonstration after demonstration after demonstration. But that exact trait also makes him a better witness, because it gives him a place to stand. Nobody could possibly be as stubborn resisting him as he was resisting us.
R: That sounds in character, there.
TGU: [chuckles]
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