[Excerpts from conversations between Rita Warren and “the guys upstairs,” in the years 2001 and 2002, edited from The Sphere and the Hologram.]
Blurring Distinctions
R: In Frank’s book Muddy Tracks, he seemed able to clearly distinguish between when he was speaking and you were speaking. When he speaks now, or when he’s in laboratory sessions, I find it difficult to know who is speaking. Is this increasingly true for Frank?
TGU: No. What’s happening is that he was required to make a Copernican worldview shift first, and to do that found it either necessary or convenient to almost over-emphasize the difference between us. That was the only way he could conceptualize it. But he began realizing that we’re often speaking through him, perhaps to say something important to someone else who had to hear it from a human voice because they weren’t able to hear it inside. Once he realized that, he began seeing it more, and then he began seeing other aspects of himself – other lifetimes, as you call it – going in and going out, in and out, and then he began to deduce, correctly, that he does the same thing there [i.e., speaking from other lifetimes’ point of view], unconsciously usually. The more he looked into it, the more he realized, it isn’t “me” versus “them,” it’s really I/them, or it’s us, or it’s me. You know, all the distinctions blurred.
Which is good! Because the distinctions were never accurate in the first place. They were, shall we say, a necessary detour, because if you are entrapped in a given logical structure, the only way out may be to go to an equally inadequate structure which nonetheless is different, so that the comparison frees you from both. So he initially said, “This is me, this is them,” then went to “Well, maybe this is me, maybe this is them,” and as time went on, found that in ordinary life – there’s only ordinary life.
That was another distinction that he had made as a halfway house, you know, the ordinary life versus talking with us! But there’s only ordinary life. Or, there’s only talking to us, whichever way you want to look at it; it doesn’t make any difference. Or there’s both. Or there’s neither.
R: So, then this has to do primarily with the extent to which Frank is conscious of it?
TGU: [pause] We would say it has primarily to do with a mental re-structuring. Your mental structures are ordinarily transparent to you, and therefore they are an almost infallible way of warping the world. That’s not necessarily bad or good, but it’s the way it is. Getting through the structures is always provisional, always incomplete, because you really can’t live in 3D Theater without structures. But it’s worthwhile to exchange them, to remind yourself that in fact you don’t have the structure; you know, the truth.
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