Saturday, September 22, 2018
All right, friends, open for business again, if you wish to continue discussing 3D as the conscious creation of its creatures. At least, I guess you could put it that way –
That is a sufficiently unusual angle of approach to open up new territory, perhaps.
Like I don’t know the phrasing was planted! It was certainly not thought out in advance.
How much of your life is ever thought out in advance? And, when it is, how much good does it do you? So don’t worry about it (not that you do).
Let’s look at creation as created by its own creatures. What sense does that make? None at all, if you begin from your conventional view of 3D reality as primary, including such 3D conditions as sequential time, as expressed by the perpetually moving present moment. But take that away and take a look at reality “as if” the 3D is not primary but secondary.
Paul Brunton touches on this. The universe (that is, all of reality) need not – indeed, in a sense cannot –come into existence; that only seems inevitable when we look at things as if sequential moving time was an absolute.
And as you well know, it is the taking for granted that 3D conditions are absolutes that derails so many attempts at theological understanding. It is the same with science. In any field of inquiry, the most difficult and most essential thing is to become aware of your unconscious mental limitations of the field. What you take to be “common sense” or “intuitively obvious,” you need to put a cold analytical eye on. It is your unconscious postulates that will trip you up.
So let us agree to set aside the idea of beginnings and endings except in the realm of sequential time. That doesn’t mean that outside of 3D, nothing changes. It means, outside of 3D, nobody is frog-marched by a seemingly external taskmaster.
Still, it is hard to imagine the non-3D realm changing without also imagining a change-agent – that is, time passing.
Time is a different thing here. The result is not the replacement of one situation by a succeeding one, so much as the standing next to the previous situation, the next situation. They all exist; it isn’t a matter of this ceasing so that that may come into being. It would be closer to imagine 3D reality as a spotlight, with every new present-moment moving the spotlight onto a new scene. The old ones don’t cease to exist; the next ones don’t await manifestation. They’re all there in potential and in a curious state of reality that is not easily explained.
The critical thing to remember is that 3D reality is projected, from a deeper level of reality. When you absorb that fact, you see why things are just as solid as they appear to be, and yet aren’t, and you see why things may exist beyond 3D without having been projected onto 3D at any particular time.
Now, look at the true basis of the true reality. Yes, in a way it is above your pay grade. Yet it may be grasped, intuitively, if you can get interfering assumptions out of the way. Creation is not exactly the same as ultimate reality. Surely you can see that.
I was taking them to be synonymous until you said that. But I suppose “creation” implies a creator, and raw materials, and purposeful effort.
Whereas reality does not. In this case let us agree to say, reality is what is. It is everything known and unknown, knowable and unknowable. How can the ultimate last layer of reality have been created? If it was created, that means it can’t be the ultimate layer, does it not?
Makes sense to me. Yet I still have a problem with the universe having always just “been here.”
Don’t allow yourself to fall into confusion by unconsciously moving from the universe as “all 3D plus non-3D creation” to the universe as “the entirety of everything.” It’s an easy unconscious slide. Stay conscious. Ultimately – no matter how far behind the scenes you need to go, intellectually, to feel like you are at the nub of things – ultimately there can be no “created out of something else,” or you are not at ultimately.
Agreed. So, reality, whatever it really is, exists, and that’s all we know about it.
- You know that it is the master, not the servant, of time and space and events. You know that it is all one thing, non-contradictory internally. That’s worth knowing.
- And you know more than that – and this is the gist: You know that reality expresses itself (there being nothing else to express), and that, as many “dimensions” as exist, everything is in all of them.
- And you know that there is no question of creation and destruction in any ultimate sense. What is, is.
“I am who am.” I never understood God’s statement to Moses, or whoever it was. But it would make sense in this context.
So now, imagine yourself to be Reality. Everything, manifest or implicit, is a part of you. The 3D world with its time-oriented dreams and melodramas is one part of what you are, and the creatures going through all that drama are – part of you. Not, like you, or as good as you, or potentially you. You, because you are all that is.
And this brings us back to where we started today. I see it. There’s no point in thinking we are only players when we are also management, stage, and audience. You gave this to us before, sometime, in a different context, but I get it now.
That is an advantage to always circling back; the same thing from another viewpoint shows previously unseen aspects.
If we look at ourselves as players, we may be tempted to look at ourselves as pawns, or victims. If we look at ourselves as God, or World-Mind, or whatever name you choose to give to the ultimate reality we are part of, we may be tempted to hubris and psychic inflation. Only when we have it in mind that we are all both, and more, can we keep it in reasonable and usable perspective.
That’s right. But if you look back at the long trail we had to travel to get here, you will see why so few people come to the same ideas. There’s a tremendous amount of redefinition involved along the way.