The 3D world as shared subjectivity

Saturday, January 25, 2020

3:10 a.m. On Thursday you said we should talk about the vast impersonal forces in the context of “beyond good and evil.” Yesterday morning you said I should take the day off. Today?

Do you know how some people blame anything and everything for what happens to them? That is a very human tendency. It stems from trying to see invisible linkages.

Scapegoating, you mean?

Simplifying, call it. In a world of multiple forces

I don’t have enough energy for this, do I? Too well to sleep, too sick to work.

It isn’t that, quite. You could get a little more sleep now if you were to try.

Couldn’t, a few minutes ago.

But you have had some coffee now. Those few sips help.

Counter-intuitive, that.

It is a mistake to assume that the same substances affect different people in the same way. Musicians using marijuana are affected in different ways than, say, lawyers or secretaries or teenagers listening to hard rock.

When you put it that way, it seems to make sense. A + B is not necessarily the same as A + C or A + D, etc. But we are accustomed to thinking of ourselves as chemical compounds, I guess. If that were true, or let’s say if that were all of it, then it would be true that any two people would be affected more or less in the same way by any given physical substance.

You needn’t limit that statement to physical substances. No two people are necessarily affected in the same way by any stimulus, physical or non-physical.

You’ll have to explain that.

And that brings us back to the question of the vast impersonal forces as they manifest in your lives as vast personal forces. It is because no two “individuals” are alike, even identical twins, that

Dammit, that addition of “identical twins” sent me off on a tangent, and I lost sight of your intended point. Again?

  • No two 3D people are identical.
  • No two larger beings are identical, of course, being far more complex than any 3D manifestation.
  • 3D by definition is one time, one place for any (and every) individual.
  • The 3D cauldron exists to enable and require 3D individuals to continually choose who and what they are to become. It is always about becoming by being and choosing from within that place of being.
  • But, choosing among what? That is, given that the 3D conditions enable and require choice, choice among what alternatives? That is where the “external world” comes in.
  • You – we – are the external world.

That last statement struck me as, at the same time, obviously true and incapable of being explained.

Any understanding deepens with the attempt to explain it.

  • The external world is not some separate thing; it is part of the same thing we as larger beings and we as 3D beings participate in. There is difference without the difference being absolute. Difference, like separation, is relative in this universe, not absolute.
  • Take your subjective world as one thing and your objective world as another, and you have a collision of improbabilities that amounts to chaos. See them as two aspects of the same reality and you can feel your way to understand who you and we really are.
  • Think of the external world as your own subjective world and everybody else’s, they being alive in this moment or not.

That starts to provide context.

For you, for some, not for everybody. Some will react with bafflement or with irritation. Again, the same stimulus meets (creates) different responses depending upon the nature of the recipient.

  • If you begin to think of the external world as shared subjectivity, you may begin to see things differently than if you see your own subjectivity as a subset of the universal objectivity. Yet they are only two ways of saying the same thing.

Some people say we are drops of water in the ocean, or soap bubbles.

Yes, and can you see the difference in emphasis, slight though it is, between our explanation and that analogy?

I think it is that the soap-bubble or the drop-in-the-ocean analogy assumes the priority and the permanence of the collective and not also of the individual.

Exactly. Congratulations on seeing that. It is a subtle difference but it makes all the difference. A soap bubble is transient, local, ephemeral. You are not, or let’s say, not any more than everything else! The difference between eternal and transient is not between external and internal, but between non-3D and 3D. And you, like we, belong to both worlds. Your – our – transient aspects die to the world in due time. Your – our – eternal aspects couldn’t “die” if they wanted to. It is a matter of environment, not of different nature.

It is often so comforting to talk to you, whether you are stretching our concepts, or redefining what we thought we knew, or challenging our knowns. Come to think of it, that’s three ways of saying the same things. Anyway, thanks.

You are welcome. As we have said many times, people paying attention is our reward. We didn’t say “people agreeing,” we said “people paying attention.”

Taking you seriously enough to consider.


But you aren’t quite finished for today, are you?

Not quite.

  • Once you see the 3D world as in a sense objectified shared subjectivity, you may be able to see how it can never be dead, nor inert, nor non-responsive. At the same time, it is not necessarily alive and responsive and infinitely malleable to anything you happen to want it to be.

Common sense, after all.

Not all that common. When people first realize that the external world is not disconnected from their own interior world, they often think they ought to have more control over it than they do, or else they feel threatened, menaced, by “external” interference with their own desires.

If we can help you come to a sense of the internal and external world together, as a living consciousness of which you are in intrinsic part, we will feel that we are getting somewhere.

And although you may not see it, this session has indeed dealt with the question of vast impersonal forces and the reality “beyond good and evil,” only there’s so much more to say once the groundwork is laid.

Thanks as always. Till next time.


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