Thomas, Saying 43

Monday, June 17, 2019

4:55 a.m. Should we continue with Saying 43?

His disciples asked him: Who are you to say these things to us? Jesus replied: Don’t you recognize who I am from what I say to you? you have become like the Jews who like the tree but loathe its fruit, or they like the fruit but loathe the tree.

What strikes you about it, as you read it?

Well, a couple of things. The set-up, for one: them asking “who are you to be saying these things?” Jesus comparing them to “the Jews” rather than to, say, the scribes or Pharisees. Given that presumably this Saying was heard by Jews, written down by Jews, delivered orally to, and discussed by, Jews, it seems strange. It would be like someone saying to me, “You are like those Americans,” or “like those ____.” [Fill in the blank with any description that would include me.] The admonition itself is clear enough, though not why it should be preserved as a Saying. And – before you ask – the previous saying reminds them to know that they are sojourners here in 3D, not permanent residents.

All right. So let’s begin with what to you is obvious. Tree and its fruits must be the same, and it makes no sense to like the cause and dislike the effect, or like the father and dislike the son. Put another way, it makes no sense to like the emanation and dislike what it emanates from. Agreed? It isn’t a matter even of “should,” but of common sense.

Say it’s so.

Then, if the tree is the non-3D source of life and the fruit is someone in 3D, isn’t that what you would be doing if you claimed to like the one and dislike the other?

But in practical terms we do that all the time.

Yes, whenever you judge one another.

Huh. Further fruit of eating of the tree of Perceiving Things As Good and Evil.

Correct. As the Buddha says, “make a distinction, make an error.” But he didn’t say you have a real choice in the doing so, only that it would be well to recognize the fact.

Okay, and so –.

So it isn’t as if Jesus was complaining that the disciples disliked him or disliked the father that they hadn’t yet really consciously experienced: They didn’t. But he was telling them something. What?

He said don’t you recognize who I am by what I say to you. I suppose that has to mean, “If you were really hearing me, you’d know that I am in connection with the father” – the larger being – I presume. But although I get that this is relevant, I’m not sure I really see the relevance, quite.

If your true nature is as sojourners in the 3D, by implication your true nature is rooted outside of the 3D. And if to live life more abundantly you need to know who and what you are, you need to have your eyes open. If, having your eyes open, you can’t see the source of Jesus’ teaching “with authority,” you     show that you are still divided in your mind, not seeing the obvious fact that the tree and the fruit must share the same nature. And of course, it was the message of Jesus that they themselves also shared that nature, not that he was one thing and they a different order of things.

So why say, “You are like the Jews who –“?

You are accustomed to people using the word “Jews” as an imprecation; obviously this wasn’t an issue then and there. He meant to distinguish between themselves on the one hand and the gentiles on the other. It might be paraphrased as “even the Jews, who ought to know better as participants in the covenant.”

You never cease to surprise me. I wouldn’t have thought of that interpretation.

Unless you just did.

Very funny. Well, if it was my own unconscious mind, it’s impressive anyway.

We didn’t quite say that; we are saying (again!) that the difference between everyone’s unconscious and anything they may contact in non-3D is far less clear and definite than you may assume.

Okay, we’ve gotten that, at least in theory.

It will be better when you absorb it to the extent of assuming it rather than having to call it to mind. Any other questions about the Saying?

I suppose not. As so often, it is striking how I begin not knowing, in effect talk to myself, and emerge knowing. I recognize that the “knowing” may be wrong, but knowing. It requires an effort to remember the years when it was not so.

Shall we go on to Saying 44?

Perhaps another time when you are fresh. Too many turns may be difficult.

I take that to mean, it’s hard for us to absorb more than a certain amount at a time.

That, but more specifically, it is hard for you to preserve the mental flexibility required when you have already exercised it. Hard for you to recognize, we know. That’s why we mention it.

That tells me that the process isn’t as transparent as I’m likely to think of it as being.

Few things are. Living in 3D requires skills unsuspected merely because you all master them so completely that you no longer notice them.

Interesting. Okay, till next time, then.

 

One thought on “Thomas, Saying 43

  1. Sleeping cleans up the neural pathways, or maybe better expression is rakes the area more level so that the old, unused connections/ pathways are cleared out and new ones can be made. Habits are structuring the terrain, and this is why getting rid of ingrained bad habits is so hard. When some habit has become a part of the terrain, the movement of mind automatically organizes to accommodate that, even builds upon those forms. Hm, I seem to have answered my complaint about having an inner mountain turned into gravel. I thoght Jesus is the mountain I do not need to visit. And now I am doing exactly that.

    When I swim in a lake or the sea, a thought of the deep unknown almost always comes to me. And also that something sinister and scary will bump into me when I am floating, trusting the deep to carry me, but also knowing that the deep holds corpses, scary things, sharks (even though there are none in these parts). Knowing the deep holds everything, me included. How to trust that even if the truer truth that we do not see, is like some Hieronymus Bosch painting, it is possible to swim and enjoy the experience? After a lifetime of pushing the envelope always further into the unknown, still that automatic fear and shrinking. What could level that mountain of fear? The body is soft and perishable, but the deeper levels are holding it, until they stop. Knowing this but not able to feel it. Always taking the unknown through filter of fear.

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