Thomas, saying 3b

Monday, May 13, 2019

2:45 a.m. Very interesting exploration so far. So, let’s push our luck and continue.

Saying 3b: When you understand yourselves you will be understood. And you will realize that you are Sons of the living Father. If you do not know yourselves, then you exist in poverty and you are that poverty.

Looking at that straight off, the first sentence is opaque to me, the second seems clear, and the third seems at least arguable. So it will be interesting to see if I know more in an hour or so. Guys?

There would be little point in examining what was already clear to you.

Of course. I’m only saying I’ll be interested to see what we come up with. And this is a provoked sentence, isn’t it? [That is, I sensed that they wanted me to say the first sentence of this paragraph.]

Well, it is useful to point out that these operations are a “we” and not one side asking and the other receiving, although it commonly seems that way. Let people remember that they themselves are an intrinsic part of the process of receiving information. They flavor what they receive. To a degree, they select, if only by what they will not allow through their filters, but more commonly by how what they receive mingles with their existing mental structures, pre-consciously. This is why two honest sincere inquirers may receive radically different answers to the same questions. It is why discernment must always be part of the process; why you must always hesitate to follow someone wishing to overawe you by the presumed authority of the message or the source of the message. If the message do not commend itself to you, it is not true for you, and cannot be true for you until it does.

“When you understand yourselves you will be understood.” Surely the statement poses the question: Understood by whom?

Yes it does.

Surely by not-yourselves, only all is one.

Okay, here’s what I get as you say that. Another part of what we are, different from the 3D-oriented self that we are more or less self-identified with. So, in a sense, the non-3D parts of ourselves.

You are in the right direction, but you have a way to go. And to answer your unasked question about process, it will mean more to you if you argue it out than if it is handed to you.

This one in particular?

Some things are a greater stretch than others. The wider the gap, the more work you need to do. Narrower gaps may be leaped by a spark in an instant.

We will be understood when we understand ourselves. The process is the same, in a sense. So I suppose we could say there is identity on each side. No, I don’t get it, not really. All I am doing is trying to force it.

Can’t be done that way. Then let us untangle the rest of the saying, and see where we go. You will remember that this saying is coupled with the one previous which you understood. So why – or rather, how – are they coupled?

Now, that’s interesting. As soon as I see the kingdom is inside us and outside us, I seem to see a connection.

That’s the idea.

Understanding and being understood are in a way equivalent in viewpoint to inner and outer worlds.

Correct; that is the key here.

So when we realize who we really are, what would it mean, that the outer world also realized? I don’t think it is a matter of reputation. Could it be the key to charisma?

Keep on.

I think it is Jung who said that as one attains greater wholeness, one becomes an attraction to other people. That is, the wholeness glows, in a sense; it not only can be seen but perhaps cannot be hidden. It conveys authority. I have taken that effect to be connected with us gaining in “authority of being,” call it, by the fruits of our work on ourselves, which means, the widening of the connection with the rest of our being.

Now go on to the rest of the saying.

Yes, I see the connection. Very interesting.

You are tempted to leave off and perhaps move on to the next saying, because this one is now plain to you. but perhaps it is as well to write out your new understanding, since later it may not be as clear to you as it is at the moment.

Why should it not be?

It depends on one thing: whether, while the idea is at hand, you make it a part of you, or you allow it to remain an idea you experienced. If the former, then it is with you even after you have forgotten it, because it has changed you and become part of you. If the latter, you are carrying it as in your briefcase, and you may put down the briefcase and lose it, or the papers may be scattered in the wind, so to speak.

All right, when I transcribe this, I’ll copy saying 3a and 3b together, and we’ll see how they look.

Jesus said: If your leaders say to you, “Look! The kingdom is in the sky!” then the birds will be there before you are. If they say that the kingdom is in the sea, then the fish will be there before you are. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside of you.

When you understand yourselves you will be understood. And you will realize that you are Sons of the living Father. If you do not know yourselves, then you exist in poverty and you are that poverty.

I see that I was forgetting to keep my eye on the ball. This series [of conversations with TGU] is about Jesus explaining our place in the world, showing the ways the 3D is central to our existence and the ways in which it is not.

That’s right. So, your summary.

What he is calling the kingdom of heaven is right here, as we have said. The kingdom is not in the non-3D only, because for one thing, the non-3D is not separate from the 3D. But we make a mistake if we think of the kingdom of God as not external to ourselves as well as internal. It isn’t a private fantasy, or even a private reality. But neither is it a reality external to us. It is both, in that the distinction is artificial and only somewhat true. Deepening the connection between what we experience as conscious and what we experience as unconscious means that the connection is more evident, more effective, from both ends. And this in turn means that what we are and what we can do is infinitely expanded.

Not “what you are,” but “your knowledge of what you are,” is what is expanded.

Yes, I see that.

And that is what is to be gleaned from this saying. Now bear in mind what the first two sayings conveyed, and again ask yourself specifically, what does this imply for the conditions of existence; what does it argue that you should do to live as one ought?

I take it you are not by this implying that the sayings are arranged in a particular cumulating order than can only be experienced consecutively as printed.

Why rearrange what has been carefully arranged? It is true that the totality is not the sequence, but there is no need to rearrange.

All right. So in other words, recapitulating the sum of what we read, as we go, will help us to keep it in one context. I’d say so far it is clear enough. We should strive to understand our true position in reality. I was going to write “in the world,” but I want to avoid the implication that I would mean only the 3D. t]The more we realize who we truly are, the more our power will be revealed to us. To put it inversely, the less we will feel helpless in the world, or lost, or meaningless.

And that will do for the moment.

Thank you as always.


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