Nathaniel — metaphysics and struggle

Nathaniel — metaphysics and struggle

Saturday, December 30, 2017

6:55 a.m. I watched Michael Ventura’s full-length commentary on John Cassavetes’ movie “Love Streams” again last night, and I am reminded that metaphysical conversations have a tendency to glide lightly over the hard questions that serious film makers and writers come up against all the time. Sex, love, hatred, conflict, anguish, dead-end situations, white-hot impulses, years of drift and indecision and lostness – all the sharpest flavors of life, all the things that make life hardest and brightest. Somebody (like Hemingway, say) lives his life overshadowed by the awareness of the unpredictably imminent death, feared and longed for. Or, he spends his life in productive but also destructive alliance with alcohol, or drugs – or coffee or bread, for that matter, anything that forms an unbreakable chain that is both anchor and fetter. He burns for sexual union, or for fetishes that for him replace sexual union. He burns for success, or money, or revenge, or whatever it is he burns for. He struggles against fate, against circumstance, against his own demons or weaknesses, against betrayal.

In short, his life is struggle, and it may be struggle against comfort, against boredom, against discordant parts of his own nature, against anything, but even the most tranquil life includes struggle, conflict, drama. And any system of metaphysics or psychology or religion that did not address this fundamental reality of life would not be real.

Hasn’t the flesh and blood of life tended to escape the confines of these conversations?

Only if you define struggle too narrowly. Struggling to understand can be a real hunger too, a real ongoing drama. Struggling to create a coherent view of life that makes sense of life as you in your times experience it is little different from struggling to paint a masterpiece, or write one, or carve one, or direct and produce one, or to sit alone, building careful chains of thought and logic, to think something into existence. Or, to change fields of struggle but to remain on the same point, to struggle with material objects and an evolving comprehension of motivating forces, to invent an airplane, or a 3D printer, or a molecular re-arranger, or whatever; or to create a garden, or any useful or decorative item.

Yes, life is struggle, but struggle is not solely mental, or emotional, or physical, and it is not solely negative or positive in nature. Just as they say drama is conflict, well, so is life. It is only in the conflict of forces of whatever kind that one lives a 3D life – which, let us remind you, is a deliberate constriction of consciousness into one moment of time and one locus of space. The ever-changing present moment is, above all things, a crucible. And if a given moment – even if it stretches for years – seems to have nothing in particular happening, no conflict, no drama, no progress, no regression, still such moments are part of a larger rhythm of ebb and flow.

Yes, but how is it we tend to –. Oh, of course. Our conversations tend to be relatively bloodless because it is I on the 3D end. Someone else might bring in something more red-blooded and equally true.

Well –

What? What’s this long pause?

It’s difficult. You don’t want us spilling your discreditable secrets, but you don’t want us sanitizing either, and this is true for everybody. So how do we tell the truth without telling the whole truth? Yet this is always the case.

I remember Thoreau hinting, in Walden I think, saying he could tell a sorry enough tale on himself if he chose to. After all, some struggles are private. I think Hemingway deserves way more credit than he usually receives for being as honest about himself as he was.

Is it true on one hand that everyone is entitled to a private life; it is also true that everyone’s private life is to a degree a self-created prison (or, to be charitable, call it a cloister) beyond which he will not venture. Thus our reference – our repeated reference – to the fact that the specifics in your lives are animated by the vast impersonal forces that run through them. Life is not a matter of cause and effect confined to material forces. You know that. Everybody knows that. And neither is it the result of the logical working-out of whatever a person contains.

Logical George Bernard Shaw to the contrary.

Yes. Life is more vital than bloodless theorizing, and at the same time not as real as it appears when taken at face value. The only way this can be reconciled is to remember that 3D life is not a thing of itself, but is, so to speak, suspended between non-3D forces beneath and above it. Thus, “vast impersonal forces,” and any attempt to understand life without balancing its extremes of true drama and not-so-real reality is going to fail to some extent. So, bloodless from one point of view is insightful from another; realistic from one point of view is deluded by appearances, from another.

This is a function of art, isn’t it? To include as much as possible while being unable to include everything.

Everybody specializes, and not merely “everybody in 3D.” (If you can remember that 3D and non-3D are part of the same reality, statements such as this will become superfluous.)

I am tempted to go into my usual generalizing. I’d say religion tends to concentrate on the 3D-suspended-among-other-forces end, and detective stories, say, concentrate on 3D drama seen as if fully real.

Many such dichotomies might be drawn, all somewhat accurate, none particularly enlightening. What is most helpful is whatever is most useful, meaning whatever is most able to be applied to a person’s daily challenges.

Surely that is different for everybody and different at different times.

Of course – and neither you nor they can know what is going to be the bell-metal and what is going to be the clunk at any given time. But your, and their, non-3D awareness is not restricted to one time-and-place locale, so it will get you, and them, to where you all need to be.

And that is enough for the moment. No need for a full session, this brief discussion contains enough food for thought.

All right, well, thanks for this, and I look forward to further conversations in the new year, if they occur.


8 thoughts on “Nathaniel — metaphysics and struggle

  1. Frank? Than you I Love this.
    I have been thinking about what Nathaniel & Co, telling here the other day.
    And nowadays to read a book titled as “Robes” by Penny Kelly.
    The content of the book in many ways similar to the Edgar Cayce Readings & Predictions. And a whole lot of it to become true, because the book is printed in 1999(my book at least). But “nothing is settled in stone” told in the same book likewise.

    What Nathaniel tells here felt very true, because when thinking “back” came to recall how UNWILLINGLY many “Spiritual/Metaphysical” minded groups (mostly all of them) were felt as”leading astray” or felt as to be leading to “dismiss” the darker side of the manifestations. Instead of the acknowledgement as to be seen clearly, “The Shadow-side of us,” seen about us daily. The word DETACHMENT can become interpreted in many ways.
    I have thought about what is told many a time, that Fear is the lack of Love.
    And please show me how MANY peoples among us who is NOT “to fear” SOMETHING, if I may ask ? I have heard some folks telling of they do not Fear ANYTHING.
    I hate snakes – and Crocodiles (no Crocodiles in Norway though). Not any big dangerous Snakes here either – but they scare me to death anyway. They are phobias. I cannot manage looking at them on the TV at all if I happen to be looking at The National Geographic Channel about the Wild-Life.
    P.S. Happy New Year to You & All.
    Snowy weather here today, but not especially chilly, about 0 Celsius, almost before to begin the rain…. But you North-Americans (and in Canada) seems to have got the freezing cold “over there.” Extremely frozen landscape on TV.

    1. I like Penny Kelly.

      She has some experiential talks about her kundalini awakening on YouTube. I have not read her books, but her realization and development of her psychic gift is to be admired or respected. I did have her book, The Elves of Lily Hill Farm, on my reading list. However, that’s about the same time that I met my guide and some specific development started happening for me. So I went in another direction, and her was left behind.

      And … a Happy New Year to everyone.

        1. Hi Subtle Traveler my friend(if I may say so?).

          You know Penny Kelley is not among the first ones to see elves and Fairies as such. I have several old books by the long gone well-known English Theosophy Professor Geoffrey Hodson. He watched all sorts of the Nature Beings since his childhood and wrote about them in their (the nature spirits)specific field of their “workings.” Then Scottish Findhorn Community working consciously with the nature spirits.
          Absolutely wonderful books written by Geoffrey Hodson. There is “the Mountain Spirits” likewise accordig to Hodson. He could watching the Nature Spirits in the hills when visiting Switzerland(Europe).
          The Nature Spirits becoming real manifestations by him.
          You can read about Geoffrey Hodson in the Wikipedia if interested. Hodson partook in WWI, in the trenches, as a soldier. Hodson told about a miraculous escape from bullets directly shooting at him in the open terrain. All the others killed but not him.
          Anyway, there is a really high quality upon Hodson`s works.
          BTW: Edgar Cayce saw the Nature Spirits in his childhood likewise.

          Hm, wonder if we are coming back to the importance in keeping the Nature in order ? If the nature disappears – the humans vanishing from the earth likewise(or not ?)
          Yes, agree, with “HER”(Penny Kelly) book, but MANY books are intertwined too.

          1. yes, friend …

            Just this last week, another online friend shared that she has been visited several times in the last month by a small elemental (she lives in Texas). She is clairvoyant and just beginning to accept and embrace her gift in the last year. This elemental being loves to just suddenly show up and chat with her (once in her car while driving). She asked him last visit, if there were others and why they did not show up also? And he replied, “They are scaredy cats”.

    2. Eight degrees here in NM (-13 celsius), Inger Lise, but sunny with no snow. We miss the moisture!
      A great session. I love that the present moment is a “crucible” and all the talk of “vast impersonal forces.”
      Happy New Year to all, as well.

  2. Frank–I “accidentally” came across your post for 2/17/18–“The Challenge of Our Times”–and was again just amazed by it. It’s a good one to be reading at the beginning of a New Year.
    For the first time, I understood Lincoln’s deepest significance for our creation of a new consciousness. Wow. I wonder if you realize how good these posts are.
    In the post, you/they say, “Remind us sometime to speak of the models that have succeeded,” as opposed to our dying model of materialism. Could you ask them about that, if the time is right?

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