Rita — beliefs and knowns and the non-3D

Monday, February 29, 2016
F: 6 a.m. Rita? We were in the process of explaining how the newly ex-3D soul (I like that way of putting it) experiences and redefines itself as it gets oriented.
R: Yes. There is a need for such description, you understand, in that so many older ways of imagining it no longer speak to people, and this because they are ready and able now for more sophisticated explanations.
F: Readiness is all.
R: It wouldn’t do any good to argue that reincarnation both is and isn’t an accurate model unless and until you could first explain that what looked like a unit was actually a community, and what looked like communities could equally well be seen as one vast interconnected being. And much more important, it doesn’t do to have a sophisticated explanation that cannot be rendered as images, as stories, as examples. It would be like expecting people to change their lives because they believe in mathematical formulas.
F: I felt cross-currents while I was writing that out. Yours? Mine? Ours?

R: Mostly yours (to the extent that attributing ownership to thought is useful). It stimulated thoughts about how people believe in mathematics and science because they are not capable of understanding them in themselves, but think they know. Your old argument.
F: Which you don’t want us to pursue at the moment. Very well, and so –
R: It is not a bad example, actually, of what happens. You know that Bob [Monroe] was always saying our job is to turn our beliefs into knowns. But that isn’t so easily done, and the hardest step, in a way, is realizing that what we think is a known may be really only a belief.
So if people believe in materialism – believe in science and believe that science has established certain things that mean that materialism is the only rational conclusion a thinker can draw – you are not going to be able to get them to think their way out of that box unless you (or life) can persuade them that the logical underpinnings do not hold. A world-shaking experience may do it – an NDE, say, or, as in my case, significant experiences during a Gateway. Or, a silent unconscious following of internal promptings may lead to a slow rejection of previously accepted ideas and their replacement by more alluring ones. One way or another, new beliefs may supplant old, or new openness may supplant older rootedness. The “how” of it is not predictable and not particularly worth examining for clues as to how it may be spread more widely. That isn’t your job, nor anyone’s. People’s reorientation may safely be left to themselves; everybody has guidance that will work with them in ways no outside influence could equal in skill or perseverance.
But you have to keep in mind, the times demand different people for different eras. Demand, or you might equally say, allow.
F: To us it looks the other way around, usually. We would say, Elizabethans were who they were partly because of what they believed – the fierce Englishness, the new national religion in reaction to long religious domination by Rome.
R: It works either way; it is a reciprocating process, as you like to put it. Beliefs shape minds and minds shape cultures and cultures shape beliefs and beliefs shape minds, forever. I am merely pointing out that you may look at it this way: A new civilization comes into being by altering what people believe, which alters what they experience, which alters what they do and what they want done. That is as true a way of looking at history as thinking the reorientations come about somehow at random, and certainly as true as thinking that each new stage of civilization is “progress” or the result of “progress” in any absolute sense, rather than progression, which is not the same thing.
Now, none of this is a detour or a side-trail. It is important for every person who is reading this or ever will read this, because one of the most important concepts they need to absorb is that “the way the world is” is the most efficient prison ever constructed, but the door of the cell has the key on the inside!
F: Vivid metaphor.
R: And that is precisely what I’m talking about, today. You don’t move people by argument or by intellectual understanding alone. You do it by vivid images, easily grasped, easily remembered.
F: And yet –
R: Well, the next step, the complication, is that you also move people by a vivid image who haven’t heard, or wouldn’t have been able to follow, the arguments leading to the more sophisticated understanding. So in their case they have traded in one belief and drawn another belief from the deck. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that – people are too quick to criticize the way the world maintains itself – but recognize, that is a very different situation.
F: A belief snatched at is a superstition, as opposed to a belief grown into?
R: Let’s say, in the absence of internal guidance that would be a true enough description, but only that. Let’s say rationality plays a smaller part in people’s mental world than they sometimes think it does – and there’s nothing wrong with that. In fact, it is often their saving grace, leading them to act better than their conscious beliefs would lead them to.
F: All right. I’m a little at sea as to where we’re going, here.
R: Surely you don’t think the ex-3D soul’s experiences as it reorients itself are unaffected by the beliefs that shaped it in its 3D years, do you?
F: [Pause] I’m having to ponder that. Meaning – so be careful what you let yourself believe?
R: No, not at all. You won’t have all that much control over what you find yourself believing. Meaning, more, so maybe there is a purpose to the creation of various environments for 3D life (and not just on earth, either, I remind you). Maybe the creation of certain environments allows the formation of certain types of minds, and maybe the existence of different belief-systems in the 3D minds that result are valued in and for themselves.
F: I’m sitting here pretty much in neutral, trying to grasp so many implications. One of them is – our 3D experiences are meant to help shape or reshape the non-3D environment.
R: That’s correct. It [that is, 3D] isn’t just an amusement park.
F: And that implies that the non-3D feels a need for 3D-shaped souls with certain biases, for some reason.
R: How often do people go to so much trouble to build something, if they don’t expect to profit from it? I don’t mean milk it, but get some good out of it?
F: That’s sure not the way we’re accustomed to thinking of it – either this world or the next world.
R: No, and look how “the next world” has gone dead on you. It doesn’t inspire, it doesn’t seem real and comprehensible. Some people desperately cling to the hope of another world, some cling to the hope of another 3D life, some cling to the idea of living their one life with their achievements as a legacy. Some can’t believe but need to, and so they overlay a frantic fanaticism over their disbelief. And, of course, some conclude that life is meaningless, and console themselves by the thought that they are the only grown-ups in the room.
F: That certainly nails our situation.
R: So, we’re doing our bit to alleviate the symptoms by addressing the causes of [a sense of] meaninglessness. But you can’t expect new understandings to spread in an instant. Well, you can, in a sense: People sometimes catch new understandings like wildfire, but don’t expect it to be a rational process, more like the flooding of the plain when a dam bursts, or something.
F: Yeah, I could feel us having trouble with the dam-bursting analogy. Almost wound up as the [annual] flooding of the Nile
R: That would have worked too, maybe a closer analogy, in fact, because not in context of a catastrophe but of a natural, regular, necessary, productive phenomenon. Egypt used to be called The Gift of the Nile, you know, for just that reason: The annual floods left topsoil.
F: And “modern science” created the Aswan Dam and changed the whole ecology.
R: Change is the law of life, you know that. A waste of time, bemoaning change. Don’t second-guess history.
And that’s your hour.
F: Till next time, then. Thanks as always.

14 thoughts on “Rita — beliefs and knowns and the non-3D

  1. “R: No, not at all. You won’t have all that much control over what you find yourself believing. Meaning, more, so maybe there is a purpose to the creation of various environments for 3D life (and not just on earth, either, I remind you). Maybe the creation of certain environments allows the formation of certain types of minds, and maybe the existence of different belief-systems in the 3D minds that result are valued in and for themselves.”

    I can testify to this! Many Thanks.
    John

  2. This brings to the front some thoughts that have been bugging me for some time, increasingly so, given this presidential campaign. As you surely are aware, I’m not Christian in any conventional sense, which is an understatement. Jesus’ “works” teachings in Luke and Thomas, on the other hand, feel right on to me. I could include a sermon here, but won’t. Most seem to disagree.
    Everywhere I look, we humans are behaving in grossly irresponsible and horrendously unloving ways toward each other and our precious natural Earth, which is likely, it appears, to suffer system-wide failure in the near future, vast extinctions including our human presence here. Our human-dominated world has the appearance of an old-time mad house managed by the insane. My BIG question in several versions: Is “as down here, so up there” true; is it as shit-throwing mad up there? What, then, of any guidance we may receive from over there? How does one distinguish hells from heavens, the latter being recognized as the former as soon as they are questioned? Are we being wing-removal played with as if we are insects? I feel as if I’m being cruelly teased, mocked, that often shit is rubbed in my face when I attempt to center my life on love and responsibility.
    If this has some validity, the prospect of dying and moving toward the “loving” light only promises same old, same old. There appear to be only lies, make believe dreaming, in prospect. If so, what then of Jesus, the Buddha, Francis of Assisi, Plotinus, the Dalai Lama, Meister Eckhart, Thich Nhat Hahn, Shri Ramana – the list goes on and on including the names of many little people now living scattered all over the world who are apparently receiving little support from up there. Yes, yes, I receive volumes of guidance, but it invariable requires much effort to realize, and then I often fail simply because an otherwise filled life must go on. Please, Rita, what am I missing?

    1. I think it was in The Sphere and the Hologram that it was pointed out to us that (what we then called) the other side doesn’t have the same problems with polarization that we do because the conditions demonstrate connection rather than our illusions of separation.

    2. Hi Don,

      Again “synchronicity” at work! I’ve had these very-similar thoughts lately myself. After Susan and I have discussed the “daily horror report” (as I like to call it) she’s exposed to (and can seem to better “manage” than I can!) on F’book, I’ve found myself exclaiming, “It seems us humans can be divided into two groups: Pathological liars, and gullible idiots!!” It helps me, personally, in NOT following what passes for “news” these days, yet I am aware of the (seeming) “roaring and thrashing of the dinosaurs” going on.

      I think Frank’s reference to the “difference in terrain” between 3D and non-3D, as far as recognition of connectedness (vs. separateness) is helpful (to me).

      I don’t know if what I have to add/say is helpful, Don, but do know there are at least a few of us “fellow soul/spirit-travelers” who often weep w/ great sorrow over what we (I) see going on “down here”. Often, after I’ve been “thrashing about” w/ these (seeming) “giant conundrums” of Humanity in its present state, Susan will (from YouTube) play a Deva Primal playlist, which I find very soothing. It helps me to remember that there are those of us, while maybe unable to make any great, sweeping change in our present course (often it shows up as “pushing against”–thereby drawing greater resistance), who DO give a fuck about finding our connectedness…

      Just a few thoughts…

      Craig

    3. Don,
      Your commentary above struck me as quite an accurate description of life in the 3D. We arrive here with an unmixed set of previous and not necessarily cooperative minds and then externalize to ourselves the chaos that the internal mixture churns up so we can choose with some degree of freedom what we want the conglomeration to be when the scrambling and cooking process is over. You have to admit that the process does force us to a non-neutral stance (e.g., “grossly irresponsible, horrendously unloving,…shit-throwing mad). Not fun but effective.
      John

  3. Certainly, a “lot to chew on” here, as I continue to figure out “who I am”. The “good news” to me is that I have this “inner guidance”. The “practical test” is for me now to USE this guidance–by first learning how to “listen” for it.

    The “big thing” for me, in my lifetime “this time” has been to Honor and Allow my own (evolving–I think/hope) belief system, and let go of the fear (and, occasionally, stark terror!) that someone else’s “theory of everything” is THE RIGHT ONE. There was another website I used to frequent, which discussed ideas of interest to me, but had its share of “truth-mongers”; my problem was in “getting into cyber-fights” w/ those whose ideas I, personally, found distasteful. Guess that “distasteful” should’ve been enough of a “hint”, but it took me three years to catch onto that!

    Journeying onwards…

    Craig

  4. I love this:

    “It is important for every person who is reading this or ever will read this, because one of the most important concepts they need to absorb is that “the way the world is” is the most efficient prison ever constructed, but the door of the cell has the key on the inside!”

    It naturally brings up the following questions:

    What is the key?
    How do we unlock the door?

    I’d be curious to learn your and Rita’s thoughts about the answers.

    1. Hi Matthew,

      So many “connects” today!

      I had to stop and think about the “where is the key?” question myself, but then it hit me: We’ve constructed the prison, and we (I) are so busy banging our heads against the bars, we don’t see the key, lying on the bunk in our cells! I guess the “what” is where that inner guidance comes in handy (so we can recognize the key as a “key”, lying on that cell bunk)…

      Craig

        1. …I am ever grateful for these conversations Frank & all of you.
          And especially love the expressions from Don once in awhile. It is a relief to be honest (as long as it is not hurting anybody).

          I have found the older I become, the more I am aware about my surroundings in many ways. And the more I “let it go.”

          But the matter about “life and death” are obvious a daily inner conflict to all men. It is the created separation we are dealing with (and to overcome).

          B & B, Inger Lise
          BTW: The weather seems to be more and more weird. The last two weeks all sunshine and spring (as yesterday), and today it is chilly with a snowstorm (not particular freezing or cold, but cold enough for a snowstorm).

        2. Actually I had similar thoughts to both of you, but my intent in the question was slightly different. We’re naturally oriented to a 3D perspective, even if we occasionally access All D, other D’s anyway. So I was wondering how Rita or a newly ex-3D soul sees these things differently than we might from our 3D perspective.

  5. I certainly feel we are learning here; I love all the added comments as well and honest expressions like Don’s clears the air. Perhaps as the image of the Nile, which has been part of my journey spiritually, reminded me of the implication of loss as gain, the flooding brings in the new topsoil, the end of our age of materialism makes way for another more evolved age perhaps; the ancient Egyptians were also washed away for the age we are living…to our ever increasing experience…to what purpose individual and collective, we are exploring together. Much appreciation. Louisa

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