TGU session 11-29-01

November 29, 2001

R: A couple of questions from others this evening. One question refers to ideas that have come up in previous sessions. The first is that “all the preparation work has been done so that you’re now as a species ready to move to the next level.” And then a later discussion about how few people there are who are aware of interactions with guidance and even fewer aware of connections to other lifetimes. She asks whether there’s a contradiction here…

F: Yes and we see why she thinks so, and oddly enough it’s the same old story, it’s the seeing it in time slices. What is “now” to us is not exactly “now” to you. It’s the difference between taking ten years as “now” and taking only this afternoon as “now.” What we mean by the first statement is, you’re ready to take the leap. That doesn’t mean you’re in the air. It doesn’t even mean you have one foot off the ground exactly. But you’re ready to take the leap, right now. But — if you’re ready to take the leap, that means you haven’t taken the leap.

And where you are now is, that most people are not in connection with guidance. As they get in connection with guidance they’ll be taking the leap. So if you look at humanity over the course of a million years, and you say “now you’re in the last hundred years, ten years, thousand years,” you know, what “now” is would depend on your scale. To us “now” is the moment of application. This particular time slices, where you are, is your moment of application. of course.

Even this is almost incommunicable, because every time-slice is your moment of application, and you’re in every time slice. But it doesn’t seem like it to you, so it makes a little difficult to talk about it.

Looking at it from your point of view, and not our point of view, we’re saying that in your particular time slices as you’re marching along day by day, you are right at the point where the transformation is happening around you. Whether you’re in the front of the parade or the back of the parade or you’re not even on the road, it still happening. Now maybe it won’t finish happening for another 27 minutes, or maybe it won’t happen for another 27 years, or another 270 years. It’s still happening.

R: the process has started.

F: More than any other thing, this illustrates one of the different ways we see time and you see time.

It’s interesting, though, she put her finger exactly on the necessity of people getting in touch with their guidance, hooking up and extending their own range — getting an extra battery in their flashlight. That is exactly the operative thing to do right now, to help everybody make the transition.

R: and what’s the best way for us to think about that transition?

F: [pause] you mean what the transition will be, or how do it?

R: what is the transition?

F: Remember, we discussed this at one point. The next step for humans is to be fully aware of yourselves –

Boy, this is so funny. Because everything we just said is wrong. [laughs] But let’s continue. Even the words “as humans,” that’s what stuck us there for a moment. Everyone of you, living your ordinary life so-called, remembering all your past lives and all your other connections, still thinking of yourselves as separate, but seeing all that connection: that’s your next step. And that is, we think, the penultimate step toward leaving, because you’ll be then in this indeterminate time in which all of you will be living fully, rather than thinking of yourselves only as the Downstairs individuals. Frank’s bright idea about the Copernican shift may have been suggested to him — over a 30 year period.

R: so people are getting ready for this at different rates, and there is, as you said, a beginning of the parade and an end of the parade.

F: Yes. Some people have already done it of course.

R: And is it necessary, for humanity to make this major step, for everyone in the parade to have the ability to connect?

F: sure. Sure. But that’s not as difficult as you think, because the difficulty is to be the first one. If you think of humanity (as Frank always does), as sheep, when you get the first sheep out of the herd and move them across the river, that’s difficult. But as the majority of the sheep are across the river, the other ones are actually hurrying to catch up. A less contemptuous analogy would be that group energy always make something easier, and as more and more people do it, that bridgehead gets widened more and more naturally, and there comes a point toward the end where, to change the analogy, the gravity is overwhelming, and the people who haven’t yet done it or helped by all the rest.

You are not at the beginning stages, but those who were at the beginning stages were– oh, pick your analogy — swimming against the tide, single-handedly achieving escape velocity, whatever your analogy. It’s easier for each of you as more of you get there. So that when the time comes that the last ones are there, it’ll be easier for them to do that than to stay. But, yes, you all have to go, because we all have to go, and we’re not going to leave something behind. We couldn’t. Does that answer the questions?

R: well that answers the question of what the process of getting ready for the transition is. Can you say some more about what the transition is?

F: sure. Well, we each do our own work, and the easy part of it is, your own work is always right in front of you, and you just do that. When we each do that, we begin to speed up the process a little bit, and in a way what we’re doing, you could look at it as changing our definition of home, shall we say. So that instead of you thinking of yourself even primarily as the part of you that’s in 3-D theater (or maybe entirely, as people do, which makes them terrified to die, because they think they’re going to be out of existence) as you change your self-definition, not just your definition but your awareness, what you’re actually living

Let’s find an analogy here —

We’re looking for an analogy that will indicate the access of power that will come to you as you connect the dots, as you live more connected. There must be in analogy.

We like analogies, as we’ve said, because people can picture them, and the picture is important. Supposing someone discovers a talent previously unsuspected. The talent was always there, but unsuspected. When the talent is discovered, and then fostered, the joy they get out of singing, say, or acting in a play, whatever the talent may be, they turn more of their potential into actuality. So that’s more than an exercise, it’s fun, it’s fulfilling, it’s challenging, it could even be a little bit threatening, because it changes their self definition, you know, which is a form of dying, in a way. That’s not a bad analogy. It’s a question of growing into the realization that you much more than you thought you were. That’s a familiar message to you. Bob Monroe, after all.

R: at the transition point, will there still be some difference in the stage where you exist and the stage where we exist?

F: [pause] well, that’s a funny question, because you’re at the transition point, and there is the difference just because of the nature of the turf, but you’re becoming aware of your own extending over –. You know, that we and you are the same thing, and so, you tell us. Do you see what we’re saying, you’re already experiencing it.

R: Well, yes. We’re experiencing it, but you say the transition doesn’t occur until everyone has experienced it.

F: Oh, oh, oh! We misunderstood. Well, let’s look at that misunderstanding, too. The transition is person by person. And then ultimately it adds up to a full transition. You are experiencing the transition now. There are others who will not experience it until later, or at least not at this level, and then ultimately when everybody has experienced it – you want to know where you go from there?

R: Yes.

F: Okay, Then, yes, it will be akin to us in that the interaction will be complete, the identify with all will be complete rather than thinking of yourself as a fragment, but the interesting nuance is, you’ll still be experiencing in time fragments – time slices — but you’ll know better. You see?

R: We’ll understand another perspective.

F: You’ll experience another perspective. You’ll be able to shift back and forth between time slices, in a sense. Now, your body – well, let’s see –How about if we just leave that alone? [laughs] Because your body is –. Well, no. This is worth pursuing.

            Your body is already in every time slice in which your life exists. Rita only exists between a beginning point and an end point and Rita exists – we said “it” almost, because it’s like that entity – exists in 3-D theater only between those points, but it exists in every point between those points. In every point between those points, is a present. That is to say, it’s a point of power. But you, right now, are being carried along by your physical body, time-slice by time-slice. That’s what your physical body is doing. It’s carrying you, you know, it’s holding you –. It’s holding the place, so to speak, and moving you forward one card at a time through the deck. Okay?

            All right. Let’s look at this. One deck of cards is Rita, and the bottom card, Rita is born and the top card Rita is born into the next world. Rita is in every card in that deck, right? Now, there’s another deck over there and this is the person who is born on Mars and the same deal. “Born into the world” is the bottom card, “born out of the world” is the top card. All right? Same thing.

            Now, the person who connects the two – that is to say, your amoeba, that that larger being in which both of them have their own being — can read all those cards. All right? When the transition is made, supposing you were living after the transition has already been made. You could live day by day, slice by slice, card by card, but you could also sort of remember or foresee – neither of those is right, but you get what we’re saying, you could also move up and down through the card decks, and other card decks.

            In other words, your physical body would still hold your space, but given that your mind would then –. Let me think about it. Gosh. [pause] It’s so difficult because the language twists it as we try and say it. We’ll go through it again.

            You have the Rita card deck and you have the Martian card deck. Let’s just use those two only. You have the card dealer, shall we say, which is the amoeba. Let’s pretend that each card represented five years, a year – well, all right.

            You have a deck of cards and there’s a hundred cards to a deck, so everybody lives to be a hundred years old. And each card represents a year. The reason we stopped is, of course, because every single instant is a card, but forget about that. Every card is a year, and there’s a hundred cards to the deck and you are at presently on card number sixty-three, or thirty-five or ninety, it doesn’t matter.

            The way you’re living now, it’s very difficult and usually impossible for you to move from your card somewhere else, because your physical body carries you along from card to card and your mind follows where the body is. There will come a time — elsewhere there already has come a time, of course, but forget that — there will come a time when all of those cards are available to you on active basis, no matter where your physical body is carrying you, because your physical body is in every card. It’s just a matter of moving your consciousness to it.

            Except it’s not so much a moving as it as an activating. And the reason we’re making that strange distinction is because moving always implies that you aren’t there — or you wouldn’t be moving, you see? But you really are everywhere and so it only becomes a question of what you want to focus on, once you get to that point. Now, that was very clumsy and very difficult to get across. Imagine that now with – suppose you have three million people on the plant. Let’s even assume that each of those three million people have different amoebas, each one. Won’t necessarily be the case, but say it is.

            So now you’ve got three million people walking around aware of all the rest of themselves. And not only aware of it, but continually accessing it. Now, in the first place, you’ve eliminated your fear of death, you’ve eliminated the illusion of separation, you have opened up the vast fascination of – Just think of the possibilities alone. That is to say, just think of active contemplation or actually active experiencing of every alternate choice. You see? Endlessly amusing. And that’s really what we see here, the kaleidoscope.

            Now, take all of that and move your awareness up a couple of monads, so that you realize that all those amoebas are actually part of the same functioning organism and you begin to get the sense that the mystics get of the unity of all being and the beauty and the complexity and the purpose of the whole thing.

            Now, living on earth at that time – so you’ve got a whole planet full of mystics, practical mystics; practical, loving mystics, because really it is true, love is the opposite of fear and then there won’t be any fear. What are you going to be afraid of? So that’s a preview of coming attractions. It’s not the ultimate either.

R: Well, yes. Because, the ultimate would include those of us who’ve moved out of physical body in the –

F: Well, now wait a minute. You’ve already been included in the previous definition, because the “you” is no longer confined to the card deck. It never was, but you feel like it is, but you understand what we’re saying. So the people who are on the planet – or in the earth, as we would say — are fully conversant with all the other parts of themselves that aren’t, and when you move up a couple of monads, that’s everybody, and everything. So, in other words, that’s us.

R: But you’re saying that that’s a possible stage to reach while still in physical bodies, so some of these three million you mentioned are in that state have those abilities but are still in physical body.

F: That wouldn’t be terribly wrong to say that, but we don’t want to go along with it because of only one thing. It implies movement, again. It’s very hard, given the structure of language, it’s hard to avoid that implication of movement, and we just want to be sure that that’s not in there. While you’re in physical body, you’re also out of physical body. If we could do nothing more than help blur, if not destroy, the idea of individuals, we would be very happy. Not of individuals, but of fragmentation, you know. There’s nothing wrong with seeing it that way, but it’s important to be able to at least sense that it’s really all connected.

R: Okay. Now, earlier we talked about one of the processes that occur in the physical body, is that people become more and more individual through their choices. And that that’s with intent: The system works that way. And so, again, those energies that are still in the physical body at this ultimate point of the transition, but who have seen and understood the whole concept of the amoeba, and all of the things you are describing as part of this transition, still there in physical body if I understood you right.

F: Some of them.

R: Some of them are, and at that point, somehow have we all joined or do they continue in their – ?

F: What’s bringing your confusion here is that you’re looking at it from time slices, which won’t be nearly as important then, you know. You could say that when your mystics say there will be a time when time is no more, you could say that what they really mean is – (that is what they mean, but they may not understand it the same way) — if you are living now outside of time because you’re in all time slices, you no longer see it as slices, so it no longer seems the absolute that it seems to you. Implied in your question is an absolute about the time, you see?

R: Well, my intent was to ask a question about – there seems to be still a distinguishing, at that stage, between where you are and people operating in physical.

F: We don’t really mean to imply that, because given that we are part of you and you have expanded your awareness to all parts of yourself, the definitions will break down. It’ll be even more than it is now a question of just how do you want to look at it? You could still look at it from unity or you could look at it from diversity. It’s just that it’ll be harder to fully believe in the absolute of the time slices, as you do now. Do you see what we’re saying?

            If you remember all your lives and all your possibilities and all of your dimensions and all that, you will also, at the same time, be remembering that you’re part of us. Remembering, not –. Right now, you’re struggling to believe in it. Not to believe it, but you’re struggling to make it real to yourselves. And when you have accomplished that, there will still come a time when all of a sudden it’s more than real, it’s experienced. And the living won’t be much different, the consciousness will be vastly different. I mean, right now you already are a part of us, but you’re not conscious of it on a day to day basis.

R: Okay. What I’m struggling with is, at that stage, there is still some need to be in the physical bodies, the three million?

F: Well, what do you mean by need?

R: Well, I’m saying, if a person who is in physical is able to make all of these connections, understand itself to be the amoeba or whatever, what’s the distinguishing feature between those who are in physical and those who aren’t?

F: Well, you still have the one big thing that you can do in the physical and that is, choices with delayed results. You still have people –

Let’s think about this. We were going to say you still have people needing to be pulled up, sort of. But if you’re talking about the last ones doing it, [pause] that’s misleading, too, really. Because it’s easy to –.

            You will remember that we keep saying “in earth,” but we mean “in the physical.” Well, there could be a time when the earth’s no longer needed as the garden that it is, but other places might be used and those are still in the physical and so to that degree, you could say that there is never going to be time a when physical ceases to exist, unless for some reason it becomes unnecessary. But it’s as real as anything else and, therefore, why should it cease to exist? Do you see what we’re saying? Or why should we cease to employ it?

            We know that people think that the physical is either a prison or a school, but really it’s just a place to experience. It’s a canvas to be painted on, it’s a kaleidoscope to be shaken, just as the non-physical is. We know that you also tend to think that the distinction is physical and non-physical, with the non-physical not having gradations. (We don’t think you as an individual think that, but most people do.) And it isn’t so. Well, just as you have gradations in the physical, you have gradations in the non-physical, but –.

            Oh, an analogy that might help is in physics. If you have four dimensions, you have to exist in all four if you exist in any. If, in fact, there are four that you realize, but there are six more that you don’t realize, you still have to exist in those other six whether you realize it or not, because you can’t not exist. Those dimensions pinpoint you. Well, that’s only an analogy, but you see what we’re saying about the physical and the non-physical. You wouldn’t not exist here either. Or that is to say, the physical would not exist in all dimensions. Well, no. That’s not the –. Do you want to put a hole in the fabric of everything? [they laugh]

R: I’m really caught up in the concept that at some point in time individuals still in the physical are, in fact, in touch with the whole amoeba.

F: Well, don’t you think it will be interesting to be choosing, moment by moment, and watching the results of the choice, even though the results are slowed down at the same time? Do you see? It’ll be different. It’ll be fun. (We say it will be as if it wasn’t already, but you understand.) We really are playing on your turf and this means that we’re lying to you all the time without the slightest intention of it, but everything comes out as half truths or misleading analogies. It’s difficult. It’s pleasant and it’s useful, but it’s difficult. (This is our way of saying if you don’t get it, it’s your fault, not our fault. [they laugh] By all means, pursue that if you wish.

R: I’m obviously missing some of the picture here and I’m trying to define what it is I’m missing.

F: We think we know what it is. Don’t make the assumption that our particular overall group is the only group in the universe. It may be we’re finished with the earth and somebody else is using it. Does that – does that seem more –?

Or perhaps a better way to look at it is, we are using it –. Ah! Okay.

            Here, make a different analogy here. We’ll check this. It might work. You know how we said Rita is a hundred cards in a deck? Well, maybe a different deck would be the number of cards that we use the earth, and when we get to the point where we don’t use the earth anymore, some other deck might be using the earth. Do you see? That’s a wild change of analogy, but what we’re trying to say is that just as geography around you spreads in all directions and when you move away from it, it doesn’t cease to exist — you could look at time in the same way and say, well, we used – we used “Virginia” of time, okay, but now we’re in “Tennessee.” It doesn’t work very well, but we think you know what we mean here.

R: I’m wondering at some point that we could define as the transition or the end of the transition, what’s happening with you?

F: Well, you remember, we told in the first place, we don’t know. We know that something happens. We know it’s the next thing. It’s the same thing Bob Monroe talked about, winking out – the stuff was winking out. And he had a very strong and a correct (we think) intuition that what happened is they all completed. Having all completed, that game’s over! Now, we don’t mean game in the sense that it’s meaningless or just trivial. But at the same time, we don’t want to make it like you’ve learned your lesson and gone to the next grade. So what we’re saying is whatever was going on is completed, and when it’s completed, you don’t keep doing it, you go on to do something else. But it may be that that there’s no fun in knowing what’s going to come next.

R: Well, but, you know, we have this notion that at the end of the physical life here we move over with you somehow. We move back to the amoeba.

F: You don’t move anywhere, in the first place.

R: Okay. Take “move” out of it, right.

F: And in the second place, that’s built in the time analogy and we know you can’t help it, but we’re going to keep coming back to it. At the end of this physical life, you are what you are, and the part of you that was in your physical life, moment by moment, is still in those moments of time, but what happens is, the barrier between your consciousness in the body and the rest of you is removed. That is to say, you drop the body, the barrier drops, and you then have it all accessible to you. Now, even there, even the word “then” – [laugh]

R: Yes. It’s very difficult to think without that  time and space language. But I was asking – and I don’t know how to –

F: Well, go ahead. We won’t quibble with it. We’ll understand that you understand.

R: [laughs] Yes. I understood from something you had said in another session, that you or most of you or however we think about that, had kind of finished experimenting with physical existences. Is that true?

F: It’s a little misleading, only because of this. Our consciousness now –. [pause]

The center of gravity of our consciousness is over here, but as you know, we have a probe over there anyway and not necessarily just one. So are we or are we not in the physical? But the center of gravity of our consciousness is not in Frank. His center of gravity is. However, he’s part of us and when he comes out of there, he is –. 

Let’s say, just shake you up a little bit, go out of your time slice analogy if you can and realize that when his card deck is over and he’s born back over here, he becomes a TGU that somebody can talk to over there, so to speak. Except it isn’t “becomes,” it’s just is, you know. So then asking him that question, that question is rooted in time, and we know you can’t help it and we can’t do any better. It’s just there, but he’s – you see? So how does he answer the question? If somebody asks him, are you finished with physical matter and he says, “well, yes,” except he’s still here at a different time, which is equally existent. So it just becomes difficult.

R: All right. But then I think I was asking a question, which –

F: You meant, are we going to go into a body again?

R: – that at this point, which we’re thinking of as somehow the end of the transition period or something like that, are you moving to yet another state?

F: You mean, when the whole transition is completed for everybody?

R: Yes.

F: Well, yes. We think so. We’ll let you know. [laughs] We won’t have to let you know!

R: So that’s what you’re saying, you think something happens, but you don’t know what?

F: We know that something happens. We don’t know what the something is, but you’ll know as well as we will because we’ll all be in intimate connection, as far as we can tell, again. That is to say –.

Well, perhaps this will help. The barriers between and among us will be gone and, therefore, we’ll all experience it at the same time, whatever the “it” is. A better way to look at it might be that, by itself, the elimination of the barriers will change us into something else, which will have its own momentum or dynamic or however you want to put it. That‘s certainly true enough.

R: As we’re in the process of being in touch with you, isn’t there some way that you can get in touch with the next level?

F: Well, yeah. We’ve been looking at that, and what you mean, we take it, is, ask them questions the way you’re asking us questions.

R: Right.

F: [long pause] We were just attempting to do that. It would be funny if we have to piggyback all the way down from where you are, through us, to them, but we could try that. Do you want to ask them a question?

R: Yes. I’m not sure if I can do that.

F: What we expect will happen is, if it works, we’ll get a knowing and we’ll tell you.

R: Well, I guess the first question is, is it possible for you to communicate with the next level and to get information from them?

F: [pause] Well, we’re doing that all the time and mistaking it for our own selves, except that it’s no mistake, just as in your case. It’s just a definitional thing. That came through very clearly.

R: And is there some merit in your doing that? Becoming more conscious and doing it?

F: The value – exactly. That is the value of it, is becoming more conscious of what already happens. Because it opens more possibilities by opening the channels. The content may be comparatively trivial, but the practice in opening the channel will, itself, transform as it does between us and you.

R: When you’re able to ask those questions and get responses, does it seem that that changes some of what we think of as the information you have?

F: It changes the nature of it?

R: Yes. Are you saying things to us from your understanding that will no longer be the correct answers as you channel through from still another level?

F: This will give them a chance to insult us. Let’s see. [pause] No, there’s not the distinction between us and them that there is between us and you because the major significant distorting influence, which is the proceeding from time slices, is not between us and them. So it’s more a matter of –

What is it a matter of? It’s more a matter of, you could look at it as a federation almost; that we are the locals and they are the next wider level up. That’s interesting. That’s where we would go to get information we ourselves don’t have. But it’s not a difference between us on the terrain. We and the next levels up are on the same terrain. Therefore, we don’t have to translate across differences and perceptions caused by that time space illusion as Monroe called it. Very durable illusion.

R: And is there some way of identifying what the difference between your level and the next is, either with intent or just the characteristics of that level?

F: [pause] You could say a wider view, more than any other single thing. That is, let’s say we are 14 and they are 28, but their 28 is more tightly knit than our 14. Therefore, they see more broadly and draw connections easier. Obviously, the numbers are ridiculous, but the idea is there.

R: And are their perceptions focused on your level, or the totality?

F: Well, you know what’s going on here? This makes a lot of sense. We don’t know whether you’re suggesting it or they’re suggesting it, but you could look at it as us being – and no, not the only level, but just as an example — a halfway house between a time space interface, and them. And they are a halfway house between us and something that’s more broad and more tightly knit and more of a unit actually. So that you could conceptually say that at the center of the whole thing is one being; one active, widely extended consciousness that experiences itself as one. And as you go toward the periphery — bearing in mind this is only a spatial analogy, but nonetheless — the associations are looser, the specific gravity is a little denser and it keeps on going down until we, who are really in a unique position, because we’re on the interface between the time space and the not time space.

            Now, the only thing is, with that analogy, you have to at the same time remember the contradictory data that we are all one. So, therefore, this means the being that is at the beginning of things and the cloud of individuals that are at the end of things, so to speak, are all one, and they are experiencing themselves, to some degree or other, as all one and as not all one, simultaneously, depending on their awareness. On our end, it’s real easy to do. On your end, it’s very difficult.

            Huh! And that implies specialization of function. Now, this isn’t the only thing we’re doing, but to this degree it implies specialization of function. And thus, well, you know, you’ve heard people say they leave the earth, they’re born into this side and for a while they can still interact and then after a while they can’t, because it’s too far away. What’s going on is, they’re moving to higher levels of complexity and a lower level of density, a higher level of vibration, which makes it (a) harder to bridge the gap and (b) harder to even remember what they were doing down here. They are more interested in other things. They have other games to play – new games. Carry that through and in the middle you should see clouds of angels and in the middle of the clouds of angels, the one being, the God, the creator, the center of everything.

            We’re saying “should” because this seems logical to us, but it’s not –. Well, it does seem logical to us.

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Just to repeat. That’s someone’s opinion. [laughs] It may not be our opinion.

R: Well, this really in an interesting way fits into the questions that were being raised by people who were talking about level 50 and level 54 and level 99 and all these things, because it suggests that maybe what people are thinking up there — because even though the issue was raised out of focus levels — still maybe we’re talking about actual levels. Are we doing that? Are we talking about four levels, five levels, something comprehensible to us?

F: Well, we would say they’re mixing two concepts. They’re mixing the Monroe focus level concept, which does not imply that each different higher number is necessarily a different level of vibration. If you had to generalize, we would say your numbers are farther away from normal everyday consciousness, and that would be about the only distinction we would draw among the Monroe system. Although, it’s useful, but we think they’re intuiting the distinctions of – again, even the word vibratory level is only an analogy — we think they are intuiting that, in fact, as you go higher, it’s different. As you expand your range – well, they’re all spatial analogies.

They’re right, that there are gradations. They would be confusing themselves were they to think that the Monroe numbering system, which is of convenience, is an absolute, or is a direct correlation there. You have your own jokes about focus envy and it’s a perceptive joke. Focus 12 is not significantly lower than Focus 21 in terms of going towards higher levels of awareness and higher levels of vibration. It’s that it’s easier to get to Focus 12 than 21 from normal consciousness. But see, all of that is within the same –. (Do you really want to hear all of this?)

            All the early focus numbers are within the same time space interface and, therefore, you’re not climbing anything, all right? And the numbers from 21 on are still within the time space interface, but it’s your flirting with the other side. Obviously, you’re only flirting with it because you’re still in bodies, but you can experience them. We’re not saying it’s not a real experience, but it’s more like flirting with it than living there, obviously.

R: I bring this up because one of the individuals who channeled an energy that Bob was quite interested in, called Miranon, presented itself as being at Level 49 or Focus 49 or something of that sort.

F: We would doubt that it presented itself as Focus 49. But maybe it did.

R: I’m not sure.

F: [pause] Well, you see, what we suspect is happening is again that confusion of thought that we mentioned, because spatial analogies slide into everything just as easily as the assumption that a time slice is an absolute. It’s so difficult to keep out of it, even trying as hard and as carefully as we are, with our attention on it, we can hardly do it. And to try and explain something else without going back and saying, “but, but, but, but, but,” it’s very easy for these things to creep in because, you see, it’s relatively unimportant next to what they’re really trying to get across. And so they sort of give up –. perhaps we should say we sort of give up — and say, “well, a lot of this is going to be inaccurate. Let’s hope we can get across what we’re trying to get across.” It would be like judging the content of Focus 27 by the fact that some people think there’s actually rock houses there, okay? [pause]

            Although, in a way there are. Really in a way there are. You get to the point you can’t say anything. The difference between a house created by consciousness there and a house created by consciousness here – the difference is the consciousness. Your houses are created by your consciousness here, too, the same as they are there, obviously.

R: Yes. Well I don’t see the advantage of going on with that.

F: Okay. We won’t get our feelings hurt.

R: [laugh] It’s probably because I am remembering more about that Level 49 now and remembering that it had a scheme went up by seven levels at a time.

F: We would say to you that it might actually be worth your while to put that into writing because you may be the one who remembers those distinctions better than nearly anyone left. Not absolutely, but nearly. In other words, of those who remember the distinctions, you may be the one most likely to write it. It doesn’t matter now, but in 15, 20, 30, 50, 100 years, it may matter a lot in terms of reducing the distortion level.

R: I think that’s something we could look into to. I think there are people around who would have some specific memories of that.

F: That might be very good work.

R: I don’t think I have any more questions right now. Do you have some other things you would like to suggest?

F: Oh, we think you had a couple of questions about Frank, actually. [pause] If we’re wrong, that’s fine.

R: I had some more questions about the book and proceeding with that. Frank didn’t clue us in on anything else we should be asking about.

F: Well, on the book, just proceed in the least disruptive manner possible. That is, follow the line of least resistance. That’s our recommendation.

R: All right.

F: Otherwise, you have our continued blessings.

R: I really appreciate that in this session as we usually do. Very interesting content tonight.

F: Thank you very much. Same time, same place.


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