Rita Warren: Well, good evening to the gentlemen upstairs.
F: Good evening yourselves.
R: Frank seems to be worried that some time he or I or someone else will ask a question and there will be no answer. Would you comment on that?
F: Well that’s the symptom, but the actual worry is more like there will be no answer because we don’t exist. [laughs] Because he’s making this up as we go along. And so, as we told him once, it’s remarkable that on the one hand he thinks we know everything and on the other hand he’s not sure we’re here. So when you ask a question and nothing comes up, what he’s failing to realize is that what’s happening is, he’s clutching. He’s so worried for us not performing that he’s having our performance anxiety for us, so to speak. And the access is closed and we couldn’t go through with a sledge hammer. Which, by the way, is most people’s problem with talking to their equivalent of us. They’re so concerned about it that they clutch and the tube is sealed off, you know?
Just play and pretend, and don’t worry about what comes, and just make it up as you go along, and when you realize after a while that it’s real, by then it will be too late to have performance anxiety. But that’s his real problem, and that’s our response to it. And our response to him is, “if you’re so worried about it, why don’t you just let us fall flat on our face, and then you’ll know?”
R: Since we’ve been doing these sessions I can remember I think twice when he opened his eyes very wide because there seemed not to be an answer there.
F: Once he was startled. [coughing]
R: Do you think there’s anything else we could say about this that would help him remove his doubt?
F: We know what will ultimately remove his doubts, and that is, if we come up with a scheme that he can logically accept as to why we don’t immediately know everything. And in the meantime the only thing is for him to do what he’s learned to do, and that is trust. He’s willing. It’s just, you all learn to live at a level of trust, and when something requires a little more trust, sometimes you fall back into older patterns. And sometimes you rise to the occasion.
R: Considering that those doubts are still there, we seem to be doing very well.
F: Well, you remember, you asked on behalf of someone why we chose him, and it’s because he’s willing to go out on no ice, let along thin ice. And that’s what he feels like he’s going.
R: Mm-hmm. All right. I’ve been wanting to ask about angels, guides, guardians. Most people that we know seem to have some way of thinking about these energies that are not in body and helpful to them, some ways choosing one of these names or the other. Are these all equivalents of what you do, or is there something else going on there?
F: It’s more like they’re equivalents to what we are. When those of you in 3D Theater who are accustomed to defining yourself as your body plus your mind, but are not accustomed to considering yourself to extend over to this side (our usual pedantic definition, you’ll notice) – when you in that situation first either become vaguely aware or suddenly startlingly aware that you have guidance, then it becomes necessary for you to either devise or accept some conceptual scheme for that guidance. In your society you don’t think of voices in the air as being extensions of the radio, say, but if that were, a lot of people who first experience guidance would say, “okay I heard the voice from radio,” you see.
So, often when people experience guidance in any form, they are actually experiencing an opening of their connection to us, which is to say to them on the other side. They have expanded their effective consciousness. And it comes to them depending on their beliefs, and depending also on the external circumstances. It may come to them very strongly as “other.” Whereas someone else with slightly different beliefs might come to it as “kind of other,” a guardian angel assigned only to me, you know? And someone else might come to it as guidance in the sense that you and the institute community have come to think of it, as a part of yourself, basically. We would say they’re all more or less equivalent, the major differential coming on your end of the veil, in the form of your social concepts and your individual concepts. [pause] Which sometimes cut against each other, by the way.
R: I’m not sure quite what you mean there.
F: Well, if you are living in the medieval Catholic society, and you’re a medieval Catholic, your beliefs and your society’s beliefs go the same way. But if you’re living in the medieval Catholic society and you’re, say, Jewish, or you’re a quiet freethinker, your personal beliefs may cut against what the society believes. And this may have the effect of leaving you freer, or totally disoriented, or anywhere in that spectrum. That’s merely an aside.
R: And for some individuals this has a clear religious connection. Others, though, seem to accept the guidance without that religious component.
F: That’s right. You all fit it into your pre-existing scheme. Or, you sort of expand the scheme to fit the new experience. It’s just common sense. A western Christian is unlikely to instinctively respond to the experience of guidance by bringing in some aspect of the Chinese Tao, or Buddhist or Muslim cosmologies.
R: Both of my children, without much in the way of religious training, say they knew when they were children that they had a guardian angel. [pause] I was surprised to hear that, I guess.
F: And the question is –?
R: Well, it related to what you were talking about being in a society or —
F: Ah, you mean why they chose that symbol! Rather than another symbol.
F: Well –Now, bear in mind, they didn’t come into this life tabula rasa. [pause] We could go look, if you wish.
R: That would be interesting.
F: All right. [long pause] It seems to us that although there may not have been conditioning in the home, there was conditioning in the society around them in such things as the surroundings of Christmas and other social surroundings – in those days, merely social, not religious–that had angels as common assumptions. You could expect that it would be easier for a child to think of an angel – either an angel or a playmate, a friend, a human-seeming friend –than a somewhat chilly abstraction like guidance, or a somewhat disrespectful appellation like The Gentlemen Upstairs. [they laugh]
R: It’s true they both had invisible playmates when they were little.
F: Which is the same as saying, of course, that their connection was wide open. [pause] Well done.
R: Well done. All right, well – We used to hear a lot about earth changes, and some people even moved here to the New Land because they thought it might be safer here. We’ve had a lot of very powerful storms, and floods, in recent years, and this year more tornadoes than are usually present. These things seem to be happening at an exaggerated rate. Does that seem to you to be true, and if so, what’s happening?
F: The two halves of your question don’t quite seem to fit together. And we think we’re missing some connector that’s obvious to you. You said, first, that there was talk of earth changes, and people moved here to be safe, then you said, it seems as though weather and things are getting a lot more violent. What’s the hidden connector that we’re missing there? It’s probably quite obvious to you.
R: Well, only that people are wondering if all these changes that are now occurring didn’t seem to be occurring so much 20 years ago when people first moved here.
F: Ah. You’re not asking, is this no longer a safe place. You’re asking what’s going on in general.
R: In general. The whole topic of earth changes. You have hinted sometimes in the past that there’s some such process going on.
F: We have to smile at your saying “in the past.” To you it’s already —
R: Yes. Okay.
F: There’s nothing wrong with it, but it shows how you all think, and can’t help thinking. It’s as though you entered a conversation with someone and 20 minutes later they said, “well, you know, we used to talk –” [they laugh] It’s very pointed, on our end.
All right. This is something well worth talking about. We don’t need to hint. But we do need, as always, to back up a bit.
You know now that human consciousness is fundamental in creating the world. Now, human consciousness is defined a little more widely than only people who are in bodies in the earth. But consciousness, in general, for those in the physical, is on the earth, which is all you’re concerned about. There’s a saying you have, that all politics is local. Well, that’s true in this sense as well. Your interactions are somewhat localized. Supposing there were people on Mars, Venus and Earth, the people of each of those planets by their actions would be influencing what was going to happen on their planet, not on another planet. In other words, it’s local.
Now in a larger sense, it is true that they would all be interacting with everything, but in a practical – [pause] Well, for [pause] (Have to stop a minute; let’s think about this.)
A difficulty with explaining things to you is that we want to say everything precisely, which leads us farther and farther afield in terms of making every last qualifier. But the qualifiers then unbalance the statement, and so some of it gets lost. So do be aware that we’re somewhat at a disadvantage in doing this, in that we almost entirely have to make statements that are false. Because there’s no way to make statements that are true without lasting till the end of time, you know?
R: Because of all the qualifiers?
F: Well, yes. Not only the qualifiers, but because everything connects to everything else. So at some point we have to stop drawing the connections, and that point is always, of course, an arbitrary point. So all we’re saying is, from our point of view, what we’re telling you is shockingly inaccurate. And superficial and probably misleading. But it is the best we can do and it’s still probably better than nothing. Now, having —
R: Can I stop you just a minute there?
R: I can see that they might be misleading because they’re incomplete or partway to the truth, or something like that, but to have you say that they are false is —
F: False in that sense. In the sense of, when you say something as truly as you can, but leave out so much, that’s the only way in which we meant it. We’re not deliberately misleading anyone. We’re trying our best, and almost definitely failing. You just can’t see it from the way we see it, but we can give you hints. That’s about as good as we’re going to do.
R: All right.
F: So, let’s drop back again. Forget about the fact – although it is true – that everything influences everything, okay? It’s all one thing. Look at it only as it appears on your end: that you as an individual certainly affect your own life. That is, you create your own mental, spiritual and physical eco-system, let’s put it that way. Then, to a degree, you do the same with your family, your neighborhood, your larger community, your larger mental community if you have friends at a distance, your emotional community if you have – oh, I don’t know, say you’re a Democrat or an ecologist – you understand?
F: And ultimately, the more advanced you are, the larger the group of people you can identify with, and there is not any shortage of people who can really identify, at least for moments, with the people and the being that is the earth. Your consciousness is central in the world; your consciousness is the world; matter is the illusion produced by the consciousness. It’s not a trick, not a misunderstanding, but it is an illusion, it’s a construct.
All right, now we have to put another qualifier; let’s put this qualifier in and then we’re going to forget this qualifier. But we need to put it in just so that you know, later, that we know what we’re leaving out. And that qualifier is, you can choose your own realities. Each of you. Out of the infinite number that are there. So, to that degree, since you can choose a reality in which others do whatever it is you want done, you can theoretically live irrespective of anyone else’s choices. In actual practice it isn’t so, but that’s the theory. Now let’s leave that. We don’t want to pursue that line, we just want to mention it.
But let’s go back. When you choose, you’re living in a world in which you choose and your neighbors choose, and your friends and enemies choose. All of those choices add up. Ed Carter wrote his book Living Is Forever in which he talked about people voting by what they are. And that is correct. That’s a correct concept. Not voting in the sense of having this or that opinion; more like voting in the sense of being. If you are in hatred, if you’re choosing hatred, that’s a vote a certain way. If you’re choosing love, that’s a vote a certain way. If you are choosing to be lukewarm – that’s almost but not quite a contradiction in terms – if you’re choosing to be lukewarm, that’s a vote. Well, all of these votes change moment by moment as you all change, and things move, but at some points there come decision nodes, moments in which things happen. And if enough have chosen one way, World War II starts. But, if enough have chosen one way, sometimes a volcano erupts. All right?
The intuition that said that the earth changes were a condition of mankind’s choices was absolutely correct, if not inspired. Now, you’ve wondered why haven’t the earth changes that were predicted come about, and it’s strictly because of the saving remnant. The people who did change. Things that cannot be averted but can be delayed have been delayed, and now you very well know in your bones that it is the time of — you could say “reckoning” if you feel grim, or “harvest,” if you feel hopeful. Both true, just different ways of looking at things. You know, you don’t need to be told by us, you all know. Anybody who’s reading this knows, in your heart — without data, as Frank always says –you know, that things are not the same as they were a month and a half ago. But it isn’t because –
No, let’s make that statement stronger first. You know there’s no going back. You know there’s not even any standing where you are. You know that everything is changing, will change, and you should be able to know that it’s going to change increasingly quickly. What you don’t know and can’t know is, which way its going to change, and that’s because it’s up to how you vote. All of you, that is. [pause] Now, you know that the violence of the weather is increasing, and that is certainly true. Although, perhaps it would be more accurate to say the violence of the weather is shifting. There are places that are experiencing more, which have in the past experienced less. Probably the net total isn’t so much different.
But if, say, the poles shift, if the ice slips off the Antarctic continent, if the water rises 300 feet – or, if volcanoes erupt, earthquakes happen, what you must realize is, all of those massive effects also preclude other effects. When you see what looks to you like a catastrophe or a disaster, bear in mind, all that energy is energy that didn’t go somewhere else. That may make you feel a little more hopeful, or it might make it a little more bearable to you, let’s put it that way. Because there will be great suffering here.
It may be that a volcano took the equivalent of a major act of rage in the sense of a huge war, you know, or a genocide. That kind of thing. We’re not making exactly a one to one correlation, but we’re saying things aren’t as disconnected as they appear, and they’re not as simple as they appear. Does that answer what you asked?
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