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R: Mm-hmm. You up to another question, here?
R: This question is, are you extraterrestrials? [chuckles]
F: [laughs] Are you? [they laugh]
R: That question doesn’t —
F: I think the question is rooted in some assumptions that we don’t share. In the first place, there is no difference between you and extra-terrestrials except where you’re living.
R: Where we’re – yes.
F: And there’s no difference between you and us except where you’re living. So again, if you look at it all as one unity, the question falls down. However, if you look at it from the point of view of diversity, then we would have to say the answer is “no, because.” This is strictly looking at it as though diversity were the reality, rather than one way of looking at things. We are closer to you than anything else there is. And we are of course equally closer to the extra-terrestrials than anything else there is. You know? The primary link is between the individual in the physical and us in the non-physical. So asking us if we’re extra-terrestrials is putting us on the other side of the divide, so to speak. Now if they’re asking are we weird, that’s another question.
R: [chuckles] They’re asking whether the extra-terrestrials are cooperating with you, and I guess the answer to that is – I don’t know who’s doing the cooperating, but there isn’t the same interaction that you have with us.
F: There isn’t?
R: There is.
F: Yes, there is. Absolutely. Yes, that’s right. Well, the level of cooperation is different not only between races but between civilizations and between cultures and between individuals, so we don’t know how to answer that question! It is unpredictably the same, let’s put it that way.
R: Okay. Depends on the extraterrestrial we’re speaking about.
F: That’s right.
R: Then he asks what are the ETs doing?
F: Same thing the crop circles are doing. Well, on one level. One level is they’re stretching your definitions. Another level, [long pause]
We hardly know whether to broach the subject. [pause]
The ETs are taking what seems to you to be huge amounts of tissue samples. In case you lose it all here, something will be saved. You’re living in a society that is destroying your species at an unprecedented rate, and if no one saves the species, they’re gone, obviously.
R: So that is the purpose in what people experience as being taken in ships to some other —
F: Well, we were thinking more of the animal and plant samplings to preserve the gene pool. But the gene pool also describes humans. That’s not the purpose, it’s a purpose.
R: Okay. And then they ask, why does your side, as well as ETs, communicate with some people and not with others?
F: Ha ha ha ha. We expect that you know the answer to that question.
R: I assume it’s the receivers willingness and capacity that we’re talking about here.
F: Yes. Yes. Yes. Not really the capacity, because you can all do it. The main thing is to be able to suspend your disbelief and to be willing to be fooled. If you’re not willing to be fooled, you’re not open enough to—
Doubt inhibits. That’s an absolute flat statement. And the more you doubt, the more you inhibit. Even if it comes through, then you look at it and you say, “well, I don’t know about that.” Frank’s been through it. [pause]
The process of him learning to do this has been one of his having to learn that it is not enough to doubt, it is equally important to be willing to believe, even if provisionally. So you know the old saying, “great doubt, great faith, great determination.” This is the attitude that’s required, and it takes a little bit of doing. We have no favorites, okay? We play no favorites.
R: [chuckles] You don’t prefer Italians, or anything like that?
F: [chuckles] Don’t give him an opportunity for good lines. [they chuckle] But if your questioner wishes us to speak to him, in fairness he must be willing to listen. There is no one who cannot and should not — and will not, really, ultimately – engage in this, because otherwise –
Let’s put it this way. The only point of this is to encourage people to do it themselves. Until they do it they will not have any knowledge, they will have belief. Now, belief’s a good halfway house, but until they do it they won’t know. And once they know, then it becomes a question of what they’re actually learning from it, and what it enables them to do, and how it enables them to grow in their own effective knowledge; effective consciousness.
A very good question.
R: Yes, and the next part of it is, why choose Frank? And it’s not their choosing, I understand, but why does this work well with Frank and is not working well for others?
F: More than any other thing is his willingness to be a fool if he has to be. [pause] If he can learn something, he’ll try it. He’ll try anything once. Or twice or three times. And – he doesn’t feel like anything is permanent, all right. So that if he says, “I’m talking to the guys upstairs,” and two weeks later, he decides, “you know, I’ve been making that up,” he’s willing to do that. And that leaves him free, you see? That leaves him free to jump in with both feet and experience it entirely, without having to say “now for the rest of my life I have to do this because I’m consistent.” He has no interest in consistency; he has more interest in truth.
So the short answer is, that quality made it attractive. However bear in mind that there are millions of people doing this, and you’re only hearing about him because it’s being transcribed. Which is another reason why we chose him, but – There are millions of others.
R: Qualified by knowing how to type.
F: Yes, and he learned how to type in order to be qualified. He knew what he was doing, coming in here!
F: Not afterwards, but he knew it when he came in.
R: Well, here’s an easy one. A question from the same person.
F: We’d like to know what an easy question is. It’ll be interesting to see this.
R: [chuckles] What would you recommend as the five best exercises for spiritual advancement?
F: [pause] Not an easy one, but it’s an awfully good one.
Practice love every day. Find some object to love, whether it’s a pet or a flower or an abstraction or a car – it would be better if it were a person. As you practice this day by day, make the exercise a little more – Raise the bar. So that practice loving something that’s successively less lovable. Anyone can love a dog, because the dog thinks you’re wonderful. It takes a little more to love a cat, because the cat thinks it’s wonderful. It takes more to love a woodchuck, because a woodchuck doesn’t care one way or the other. It takes more to love a rattlesnake, because you’re afraid of it. So you could easily raise the bar a little bit every day. The practice of love is the practice of overcoming the illusion of distance.
That’s really one through five, but another exercise? [pause] Well, this won’t seem to have anything to do with the subject. Practice changing points of view. When you are in a dispute – or even if you are in a pleasant exchange with someone – try, every so often, changing into their point of view. Try to really see it as they see it, as opposed to the way you see it. All right? Swap back and forth. Now, that seems to have nothing to do with spiritual self-development, but you’ll be astonished. If you’re able to do it. Difficult exercise. [pause]
[chuckles] Do we have to come up with five? Those are two very good exercises!
R: We don’t, that’s true, just because he asked.
F: Let’s – give us a moment here. [pause] Well, of course, a third one is, practice mindfulness, by which we mean do everything remembering that you are doing everything . Don’t let your attention flow outward to the object without also being internally lit in your own being. So that when you’re looking at the watch, remember that you’re looking at the watch; don’t only look at the time. When you’re driving a car, remember that you’re driving a car, don’t just only drive the car. Again, this is the kind of exercise that can be scaled up as you get –
Although, it’s not predictable what will be easy and what will be difficult. It will be different for different people.
So those are three exercises, anyway. You notice what they have in common is the raising of a certain kind of consciousness. Because the giving of love is also an experience of love, it’s a becoming familiar with love, so it is a form of consciousness raising, as well.
We would leave it at that for now.
An excellent question.
R: I think this is another form of the same question here. How can a human select the best way to its spiritual advancement. Unless you wanted to add something.
F: Well, what we would add is, become on very good terms with your conscience. And we don’t mean conscience in the sense of something that’s constantly telling you you did something wrong. We mean: Stay on the beam. There’s a beam, and once you experience it, you can stay on the beam.
R: This is your conscious mind that you’re in touch with.
F: Well, the conscience that we’re talking about seems to you to be external, seems to you to be not part of yourself in a way, you know. It’s sometimes experienced as being carping. But we’re talking about an internal compass, and from our point of view, that really is you learning to intuitively stay in touch with our advice on our end. Again, ultimately aimed at stretching your awareness.
R: The reality we share, it sounds like.
F: Mm-hmm. There isn’t any other.
R: Now the next question is, how would you suggest that we use them to get the most value from their wisdom?
F: Hmm. It’s actually very well stated in that question: Use us. Don’t read about us, don’t theorize about us – although there’s nothing wrong with that – don’t think about us as an abstract warm fuzzy idea. Use us. Extend your consciousness to us, extend your openness to us, and grow. It’s not complicated, it’s not difficult. It requires doing. It’s a conscious freewill choice on your end.
R: And then he goes on to ask if it’s just a matter of us coming up with questions we think up, and I think it’s a good idea for him to do that, however–
F: That’s right. That’s right, but that’s not – that’s not right. Because that makes it almost an intellectual game. And the primary benefit is for you to really know that you’re not alone, and that you’re not accidental, and that you’re not meaningless. Okay? Those are better rewards than just asking questions. [pause]
R: Well, speaking for the question askers, there’s a lot of value in thinking of questions that would be meaningful to ask of such —
F: Oh, absolutely! We don’t mean to discourage that of course, at all. We’re just saying don’t limit it to that. Knowledge is all well and good, but living is the most important thing. You can live without knowledge, but you could more or less say you can’t know without living. [pause] Well, you can’t know without being conscious, okay. So again, creating and expanding your consciousness, which means living in love. And that’s a major failing of your civilization, that it doesn’t see that those two things are synonymous. But that’s your task here. Which you can refuse to do; it’s a freewill universe. But you’ll not find it any happier by refusing.
R: That sort of seems pointless.
F: [chuckles] Sort of.
R: All right, here’s a different person, who’s asking about what Bob Monroe identified as Locale III.
F: It’s too late in the evening. That’s an easy question and it’ll be a nice one, but he’s getting tired; probably we should stop.
R: All right. Again we appreciate all the help we’re getting.
F: Well, you know we do too. It helps us too. Till next week.
R: Till next week.