S: So, lots of attention to the body today.
F: That makes a total of one hour for this lifetime. [they laugh] Yes, it was very interesting. Not at all where I thought we would go. I thought we would go somewhere special. And did. But I didn’t expect that.
S: There’s supposed to be a program on the news show 20-20 tonight on remote healing, and it’s supposed to be a very favorable program. I’m going to tape record it.
F: How the times change. Thanks. Would you — Well, I said thanks before I asked–
S: Of course. But it may not be on with all this hullabaloo politically [this was the week of the presidential election that got involved in recounts], it might not be on.
F: This is – I don’t know – have you ever heard anything that corresponds with what we heard today about this? About going down to the base chakra and working from there?
S: You know, I wanted to ask you, in the booth, and figured it would be better out here, but remember what your brother said about the raincoat?
F: Tell me again.
S: Didn’t he say something about, there are things that you can do in the physical – the energy stuff is fine, but why not deal with the physical things? It was something about you put on a raincoat when it’s raining, you don’t-sit down and meditate and try to stay warm, or something? There was something like —
F: Oh! oh! Not a raincoat, it’s the old overcoat analogy from my Gateway. Where I was able, using my new tricks, I was able to keep myself warm wearing a shirt much like this, whereas Bob [Friedman] was not any too warm in a heavy topcoat. But I also realized, that’s why we have coats, so that you don’t have to spend your time maintaining that state. But you can do it; but – why bother?
S: Why not just put a coat on?
F: Yeah, exactly. And then of course the short term reason because this solidified my sense that in fact this is real. You know, the magic is real. And the long term sense, yes of course, wear the coat because you have other things you want to do.
S: Okay. To me dealing with the base chakra was the same kind of a concept in terms of – yes, there are energetic causes to disorders, but when it’s gone far enough that it’s manifest in the physical, that it needs to be dealt with through the base chakra.
F: Have you ever heard anybody talk about doing it that way?
S: No. Not in that context.
F: I got a real sense of ___, too, that ___ can do this quite easily, and I think it’s important. I’m going to use this of course with Louis next week and we’ll see what we do. I wonder how we go about – I should have asked this, I didn’t think about asking it at the time – I wonder how we go about explaining to – Oh, the answer’s coming that in fact they’ll know. I was going to say how do you teach people to do that, and the answer is once you give them the concept, they’ll figure it out. But it’s a big thing, I think. It really is.
Going into that session, I thought, okay, well we’re going to somewhere else, so we’ll go out [laughs] and I went somewhere I’ve never been before; my body. [they laugh]
Comments on the electronics of it, or the signatures?
S: I thought it was quite typical. There was a tendency to move down toward the null point. Your warming is just perfect, coming up here. GSR coming down here. A little bit of arousal, when talking, but generally going right down.
F: Look at that!
S: These big strong peaks here; to me when I was watching it on the screen, it was like, “oh okay, here he goes, he’s on his way down” and then something would happen, and you’d get wrapped up in trying to figure out and understand what had happened.
F: Was it that or was it the effort of reporting it? Of putting it into words? What do you think?
S: I think that that’s what I just said.
F: Okay, to me that’s quite different. But that’s what you meant. Because you see, I’m thinking, if I had not asked that question, I would have thought what you were saying was, I was in the state and then I sort of bounced out of it for whatever reason. And to me that would be different from I was in the state and I was trying to report on it.
S: Trying to struggle with it, right.
F: Which still bounces me out of it to a degree. Okay.
S: Right. And again I would listen to the tense of your verbage. At times when you were present tense active voice and other times when you would back out and have to use metaphor, simile, and conditional debriefing past tense verbs —
F: That would all be out of the experience.
F: What happened here, you’ve got this enormous leap from 4 to 7 on the blue line.
S: Yeah, when – you were getting really low, you were getting low, and then you zinged way up here, and that was after c, you said I want to go back to focus 12, and so when you went back to focus 12, you became very vocal for a while and then went back down, so this is when
F: And then it dropped all the way down again, or nearly all the way down.
S: Right, so this is right when you went back to focus 12.
F: What part of it, more or less, was the part when I was giving that kind of robotic voice because the stuff was just coming out?
S: Yeah, that was right in here.
F: That was there.
S: They were dictating.
F: Yeah, really, basically they were. Very interesting.
S: But I – it might be a nice exercise when you type this one out, and go back with a highlighter and look for verb tenses, and conditional metaphor debriefing phrases to see when it’s into it and when it’s out of it.
F: Mm-hmm. I sure wish there were an easier way to correlate the tape with this. Does this have – are these dots x number of minutes apart? I mean, is there any kind of a —
S: Sure, the whole thing is 61 minutes wide from here to here, and so these are probably five minute marks. But what you would like to see is a video tape, with your audio on one side and your video over here.
F: Yeah, that’s true. We going to be able to do that with the new machinery?
S: It’s technically possible now. You’ll just have to give me some time to set it up, to make it happen.
F: Have you ever done it?
S: Yeah, I did it once, to send a copy of it off to Jim Lane, because he was interested in seeing what changes were, so I sent a narrative off to Jim Lane, because as you know, some of the things we measure aren’t supposed to happen. Like, people make square waves, you know, it’s like, “how do they do that?”
F: That’s what I heard. Well, if all it requires – that’s worth it for the institute, too, isn’t it?
S: Well, it’s just me switching some wires around here. I have to hook that box up to this video monitor instead of that, so it takes rerouting some wires and hooking some things up.
F: Can we do that for the last session next week?
S: Sure, that’d be fine.
F: That’d be great. Ordinary?
S: Just a blank VHS tape.
F: Okay. Let’s do that, that’d be interesting. This – you know, we’ve had various patterns, including I think you said the classic U shaped pattern. But this one is one, two, three, four, five, six major peaks and corresponding valleys, and it ranges from 8 down to 3.
S: And again, that has to do with, as you said, your struggle for explanation. You know, there are times during the session when I’m wanting to say, “I just wish Frank would shut up and experience it,” and yet I know because of your character, it’s very important for you to serve as a journalist at the same time.
F: To bring it back, yeah.
S: To bring it back. So it’d probably be better if you just take pictures while you’re there. [chuckles]
F: Remember the time you and Dave did a session with Kelly and me, and then you had me come back the following week to get a baseline. And you said, “okay, you don’t need to say anything if you want, just experience it.” And so you had this whole hour-long tape of my breathing effects. Which was actually quite interesting, because I could hear parts of it going [panting noises] but because I didn’t report anything, it’s all gone, and I had no sense of it. And to me to do this without reporting, I think that’s my primary purpose here, is to be a reporter.
S: I have those feelings and those thoughts while the session is going on, but then when I look at the overall chart afterwards, I say, it was okay, he was still moving. It isn’t like it is keeping him or blocking him from doing anything.
F: Yeah, this one is – this is an amazing curve–
S: And that was back to 12
F: Back to 12. I’ve never would have – I’ve never been particularly too interested in 12; I use it once in a while, but I never would have though I’d want to have a session where the whole thing was 12.
S: Well, I think it fits perfectly with the exploration of the body, because many people talk about, “gee, I’m in my foot not, isn’t this interesting, I’m in my foot now.”
F: And boy does it smell. [laughs]
S: You know, it’s like they can reorient the sense of who they are, and then pretty soon they bridge outside of 12. “I’m not only my foot but -” [they laugh]
F: “There may be other things I’m doing!”
What’s our temperature look like this time? 95.3? So that’s just about normal, that’s not particularly warm.
S: Right, that was the mean. You warmed up to that.
F: Yeah, warmed up quickly, though.
S: Yeah, very quickly.
F: And I think I’ve got that. I think I’ve got the cool now.
S: You learned how to relax.
F: You didn’t even call for the resonant tuning, so I don’t know if you heard me doing it on my own.
S: Yes, I did.
F: Okay. And that – look at that.
S: Very steep. Very, very steep.
F: Yeah, that’s good. All right, anything else that comes to mind?
S: Not really, other than I want to say, as I did just before the session, you seem to be in a really good space in your life right now. In terms of, you know you have these new horizons with this new book, your own book is coming out, things seem to be a little smoother in the office, you seem to be in a good place.
F: Things are moving. Part of that’s your fault.
F: A good part of that’s your fault, Skip, this whole – Don’t think you’re not going to get sued for it.
S: Just send the check. Okay, here’s your tape.
F: Next week we’ll do video. That’ll be great.
S: Yes, and it’ll just take me a few minutes to switch some plugs and get set to go. But we’ll actually videotape your biofeedback and hope that you don’t become overly concerned about it during the session.
F: I don’t think I will.